I've removed all my mods, reinstalled the game fully twice, for the latest install I also manually deleted everything from my roaming/apps and the WOTR folder (pilot career records, everything), but I'm getting an issue where the game hangs at the point where the mission is loading and it says 'Loading Runtime'.
It seems to only do this on the first attempt, if I force WOTR/CFS3 to close, when I try next time it works. So to be clear: I start up my pc, run trackIR, run WOTR, go to a campaign, go to next mission and it hangs at the point in the attached image. If I then try to go straight back in it seems to work, but if I restart my PC it will hang again.
Of course I may have perma-broken something with my mods, but would appreciate someone checking if they get this issue too?
Give me 10 mins fire the PC up Chief and il have a nosy pal.
Edit.yep same thing possibly 1 of the sound (flap) in your last mod Chief..Everything seemed fine before that..Cheers
Last edited by Adger; 06/16/1901:12 PM.
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Just to add Chief,if I ever reinstall WOFF/WOTR I use the toolbox to delete the registry files aswell.
I'm only assuming it's a mod issue (Collective) ? because others would have posted if it was a game/patch issue mate.
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I've tried that full install, then reinstalled (with no mods again) and still get the problem.
I can live with it but I'll have to take my mods links down.
Ive tried a few things but no joy as yet Chief. Im certain its not the Map mod though pal,hopefully you can get to the bottom of it.
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Sorry, my last reply was to Adger, I didn't see yours when posting. I'll have a look and see.
But basically I deleted and reinstalled everything as I wanted to try and get back to a clean install, unpolluted by any of my mods; when I had probelms before (when making the gunsight for example) this always worked.
OK no worries, also backup your wotrkeys.xca in C:\Users\<Yourogon>\AppData\Roaming\OBD_Games\OBDWW2 Wings Over The Reich then remove the files in there too.
Clean the registry as above, clean all folders out, reinstall. Make sure DX9 is installed, disable AV as per section 17,
Maybe install WOTR without a patch first and see if it runs. Then install the patch.
Maybe needs admin rights setting on cfs3.exe or wotr.exe see the FAQ section 30.
If it fails still, send the logs, dxdiag, sysinfo etc as per the FAQ.
fyi: Game hangs when running the first mission in v1.0 too.
edit: when alt tabbing there are 3 'not responding windows:
Campaign Manager Briefing Form1
Yep I get exactly the same 3 windows Chief,it's a puzzling issue especially when it's still happening after a full reinstall..I,d be very surprised if it's a game/patch issue because if it was surely others would be seeing the same thing has us 2?.
I've got a bit of spare time this evening and tomorrow ..il definitely have a nosy at my end and see what I can find. Did you find anything unusual in the logs sent by Chief Pol that may help regarding the issue? Cheers.
Edit: Is this the same or similar issue that's posted over the WOFF forum Pol?
Last edited by Adger; 06/17/1908:59 PM.
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I've given OBD support what I can in the way of info, the thought being something has changed on my system that is blocking it, AV for example, but the odd thing is that yours has changed too in the same way. Even turning off my AV and firewall causes the issue though. The problem I face now is that it takes me ages to test anything and I don't really have the time, I'd rather just play the game.
The last thing I've found is that when I launch a mission the sys32dll starts to run, when I get the crash if I leave that process running the mission runs ok next time. But, if I also close that process when I have the crash, it will crash again next time.
It would be useful to know if someone who doesn't run my mods can re-create the issue, or if someone who just uses the map for example can confirm theirs is fine, or if someone uses my collective mod and doesn't get the issue. I'm assuming OBD cannot recreate this issue themselves.
My mods change image files, .wav files, .xmls and the UI configs, can those changes really damage things to the extend of dynamic link libraries and registry entries are effected? My eyes have been opened if they do, and I will have to avoid messing about with mods in future, or at least sharing them publicly!
I also often just restart a game if it crashes, I don't necessarily consider it a real bug and report it, I only raised this because it became noticeable and recreate-able when I was checking a minor change I was doing to the UI file.
Adger do you use re-shade at all, I had that on and that could have affected my .dll but I then removed it for testing this issue, maybe it has left some lasting damage to the dll for me.
Hi Chief,yep I do use Reshade..I was called out on a emergency job so haven't been able to test much,but I've definitely got some time to myself this evening,and I'm going to really go at it. Thing is I've ran Reshade for weeks without any issues..I might try an older version of Reshade and see if anything changes.
You could be on to something regarding the Reshade issue because..I'm also having a issue in WOFF where if I use the blue triangles fix or use JJJ,S Mission editor (which has the fix built in) it changes a couple of files (CompositeSceneryBudgets.xml and Compositetexturebudgets.xml I think) I get weird looking water textures..Everything else is fine WOFF doesn't hang at runtime but the water changes are very noticeable??
Bloody PC,s and there variables..Give me my PS4 any day haha... Anyone else here have any of the issues myself and Chief have mentioned? Anyone else using Reshade?
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I can clarify that I have this exact same problem with no mods, or even with mods . I have second copy of WOTR in a separate folder which I keep as a backup to guard against any issues with testing patches. It will be around 9 EST this evening but I will try starting that copy and see if the same thing happens.
I can clarify that I have this exact same problem with no mods, or even with mods . I have second copy of WOTR in a separate folder which I keep as a backup to guard against any issues with testing patches. It will be around 9 EST this evening but I will try starting that copy and see if the same thing happens.
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Thanks Blade,have you ever had Reshade installed? Will you have a issue running WOTR from the 2nd folder or do you mean copying the entire folder to your "Main" installation path. Cheers gain Blade,hopefully we can get to the bottom of it.
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At the request of OBD support I created a new admin user profile on windows and installed the game anew there. I also uninstalled my antivirus and firewall. I then did the install process and the game seems to work with missions loading first time, all still with no AV or firewall installed.
I'll see how I get on with reinstalling antivirus and with running the game on my proper user profile.
Edit this was also without any TrackIR running, Mods, reshade etc. Just the basic game.
Thanks for the heads up Chief,it's a head scratcher..I have Win 7 updates disabled and have been for many months. Kaspersky running my antivirus and firewall,that updates regular. I've had all your mods running fine upto a week ago WOTR latest patch all ran fine. That includes Reshade which I've been using for a while on WOTR
I hadn't run WOTR possibly a week before I checked if I was getting the same issue as you mate. And at that time it ran absolutely fine,that's why I'm so puzzled by whats going on. The only thing that updates on my machine is Kaspersky.
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Yep, with anitivirus and firewall back the issue returns. Annnoying, but I'll make do as I'm not removing my antivirus and firewall for one game.
No I'm not either pal,but it seems a possible antivirus/firewall issue? It's the only thing that updates regular on my PC..fwiw I've never had a issue with WOFF /WOTR with kaspersky.
Edit ..sorry just realised IF it was antivirus/firewall why does it let us load the mission if we Alt Tab out of it after the 1st attempt?
Last edited by Adger; 06/18/1908:02 PM.
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Great at least there's a pointer ChiefWH. The fact it works without those proves one or them (or maybe in combo) is blocking access to cfs3.exe in someway. Maybe a new mode, or new virus definition but please Adger check your logs if you have different firewall or AV to ChiefWH. Maybe just try a new Admin user profile as I asked ChiefWH to do.
Great at least there's a pointer ChiefWH. The fact it works without those proves one or them (or maybe in combo) is blocking access to cfs3.exe in someway. Maybe a new mode, or new virus definition but please Adger check your logs if you have different firewall or AV to ChiefWH. Maybe just try a new Admin user profile as I asked ChiefWH to do.
Will do Pol cheers.
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...why does it let us load the mission if we Alt Tab out of it after the 1st attempt?
I think it is because cfs3.exe and rundll32.exe both start when we try and start the mission, and it is the rundll32.exe that is being blocked. If you get the crash and as well as stopping cfs3.exe in task manager you find the rundll32.exe and end that, it will crash next time too, so you'd never get in.
But if you don't close that, you will see it running, then when you start WoTR and a mission again I think the rundll32.exe is somehow in place now and the game works.
Disclaimer - I don't really have a clue on this sort of thing.
Great at least there's a pointer ChiefWH. The fact it works without those proves one or them (or maybe in combo) is blocking access to cfs3.exe in someway. Maybe a new mode, or new virus definition but please Adger check your logs if you have different firewall or AV to ChiefWH. Maybe just try a new Admin user profile as I asked ChiefWH to do.
Done exactly the same has Chief Pol..and i get exactly the same results. FWIW ive also set cfs3 and wotr.exe to exclusions again no joy.
@Chief yep your right ive also tested the same thing regarding rundll32.exe (which points to my Windows\SysWOW64 folder) If you leave it running in task manager after the 1st "crash" then WOTR loads next time round. If you end it it gives you the same problem has loading WOTR 1st time??? Maybe somebody more technical minded than both myself and Chief can chime in with a answer to this possible problem?
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Ok, I just tested my backup WOTR that I keep in a separate folder with WOFF UE. I just went in the game folder and started from th WOTR.EXE and it ran fine. This is version 1.14. Then I went in and started my current testing version and it started just fine. I went in Start Task Manager(cntrl+alt+del) and closed the rundll32.exe and attempted to start my current version again and it would not start. I had to Start Task Manager close the cfs3.exe. Then I went back into my backup folder and started my backup WOTR just fine again. My guess is that it is in either the CheifWHS_Airfields or Buildings mods as I never had this before using these mods. As far as I remember I have never tried the collective mod yet and I never did any of the file deleting associated with the older collective mod. Hope this helps and Pol if you need any files from my backup or current test installations of WOTR let me know & I will send them. I know this is not yours or OBD's problem and I can live with it as is, but I want to help if someone is trying to figure this out.
Edit: My Woff UE is doing the same thing after restarting computer and trying to start WOFF UE(current or backup), it hangs. Second time around it loads but it takes a long load time and the brownish "Loading" screen will be on for a good 30 secs then disappear and then reappear and stay for another good 15 secs then the sim will start. Version 4.23 . I do not have any mods loaded in either WOFF UE or WOTR. I have never loaded any mods into WOFF UE since patching to 4.23 No conclusions, will test more tomorrow evening
I have the same problem on one of my pc ,but not the other one. Both pc have same motherboards, CPU and same amount of ram, only difference is vidio cards. One that works is a GTX 980 Ti ,the one that dosen' is a Radeon RX 580. I tried uninstall and reinstaller Edited Reg to remove WOTR and WOFF,but no luck.No Mods Installed Game loading stops at Loading Runtime Exception: GameTerminated Prematurely. .
Also please scan throughly for viruses just in case any are related to that - been many that use rundll in the past. Also try with more than 1 AV - for example online eset virus killer etc.
I actually installed another av to scan my system and the rundll32 file individually yesterday (it didn't get a result), but will try that online one too.
it works ive also noticed that WOTR loads quicker aswell,i clicked on the Link that Wally posted and there,s a .Bat file you can download..it saves messing around changing permissions ect,it does it all for you..ive virus checked the bat file (Kaspersky) and malware checked with IO Malware fighter it came back all clean.
It changes gameux.dll to gameux.dll Ubeogesh Nice work Wally and cheers Pol for the heads up on Wallys link (i backed up my original gameux.dll just in case guys)
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Win7 SP1 for me also guys,and i havent used windows updates for many many months. Im trying to hold off on WIN 10 aslong as i can but i know eventually il have to Install it.
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It must be AV update then Adger, it must be stopping MS spyware from running
Odd how nothing is listed in the log though..
Yep im inclined to agree Pol,its the only thing on my rig that updates regulary (apart from Steam products). I knew it couldnt be WOTR because..Id flown it fine with the latest patch installed umpteen times.
Same as i didn,t believe it was any of Chiefs mods,again for the same reason as above Pol. Chief actually noticed the Rundll32.exe "thing" and by chance or luck Wallysworld posted his findings and link,cracking community both here and over on WOFF,Somebodys always at least trying to help others..Cheers for the support Pol and i hope when Chief gets in from work and tests his WOTR he will be back up and running again with no "hiccups"
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No worries thanks Adger, hopefully we can track why or which AVs are causing this to be necessary but for now that seems like a good fix for some at least.
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I am good to go with the "Rundll32.exe" tip. Both Woff UE & WOTR start first time. I did a Malware bytes search and found nothing and i run Vipre(not while i am flying though) and I have no viruses. Strange.
it works ive also noticed that WOTR loads quicker aswell,i clicked on the Link that Wally posted and there,s a .Bat file you can download..it saves messing around changing permissions ect,it does it all for you..ive virus checked the bat file (Kaspersky) and malware checked with IO Malware fighter it came back all clean. 
