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#4477964 - 06/13/19 07:07 PM Alcock and Brown  
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100 years ago tomorrow morning. John Alcock and Arthur Brown of the RAF took off from Lester's Field here in St. John's in their modified WW1 Vickers Vimy bomber and headed east. Some 16 hours later they crash landed in a bog just outside Clifden Ireland having just completed the first transatlantic flight in an airplane.

Charles Lindburgh made a more famous crossing some years later , but Alcock and Brown were first.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/alcock-brown-100-year-anniversary-1.5099625

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#4477969 - 06/13/19 07:17 PM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: No105_Archie]  
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Alcock and Brown, isn't that a porn title ?


But seriously, talk about courage. Man. Wood, canvas and wire.

Ashamed to say I've never heard of these guys or their heroic feat. Possibly because they are Canadian. Shameful really.


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#4477977 - 06/13/19 07:37 PM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: No105_Archie]  
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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4477983 - 06/13/19 07:47 PM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: No105_Archie]  
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Nope ..not Canadian, Newfoundland did not join Canada until 1949. In 1919 we had nothing to do with Canada or Canadians biggrin


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#4477987 - 06/13/19 08:02 PM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: No105_Archie]  
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RIGHT. How could I forget ? duh
My inlaws are Newfoundlanders.
My wife's Grandpa use to tell his Grandkid's they were from the Rock, not Canada.
He never left the Rock.


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You gotta sleep on your toes, and when you're on the street
You gotta be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed
And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking
#4478011 - 06/13/19 11:15 PM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: No105_Archie]  
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The other famous Brown had a hand in the shooting down of the Red Baron. The house he grew up in still stands in Carleton Place ON..


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4478015 - 06/14/19 01:06 AM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: No105_Archie]  
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I would love to somehow see that moment the one climbed out on the wing, holding on with one hand and hacking at ice with the other over the Atlantic. Men with a lot of courage and sand like that other gentleman that was posted about here earlier who also made a transatlantic flight by himself.

#4478046 - 06/14/19 10:42 AM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: No105_Archie]  
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It just goes to show just how much "history" is written by those with power and influence. If you want some really good enlightenment that totally goes against the Hollywood grain, get educated on the facts behind WWI and WWII.


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#4478050 - 06/14/19 10:50 AM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: WangoTango]  
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Originally Posted by WangoTango
Alcock and Brown, isn't that a porn title ?


But seriously, talk about courage. Man. Wood, canvas and wire.

Ashamed to say I've never heard of these guys or their heroic feat. Possibly because they are Canadian. Shameful really.


They were English, both born in Manchester.
Excellent presentation by the BBC here on the epic flight, and the reasons the achievement been somewhat overlooked compared to the commemoration of Lindbergh's solo crossing


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#4478058 - 06/14/19 12:07 PM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: BD-123]  
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Originally Posted by BD-123

They were English, both born in Manchester.
Excellent presentation by the BBC here on the epic flight, and the reasons the achievement been somewhat overlooked compared to the commemoration of Lindbergh's solo crossing


Darn English try to claim everything for themselves. biggrin

Arthur Whitten Brown was born in Glasgow to American parents; his father had been sent to Scotland to evaluate the feasibility of siting a Westinghouse factory in Clydeside. The factory was eventually sited in Trafford Park in Stretford, Lancashire, and the family subsequently relocated there.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4478063 - 06/14/19 12:23 PM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: No105_Archie]  
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Charles Lindburgh made a more famous crossing some years later , but Alcock and Brown were first.



first NON STOP flight, the US navy (NC-4, commanded by Albert C. Read to be exact) were first to fly planes from one side to the other the month before (3 started, one finished), although they flew over in stages and with a heck of a lot of more support, they went from newfoundland, azores, lisbon, then up to the UK smile

and fun fact, NC-4 is actually owned by the Smithsonian Institution and it currently on display in the Naval Aviation Museum, Pensacola Florida smile


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#4478067 - 06/14/19 12:42 PM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK


Arthur Whitten Brown was born in Glasgow to American parents; his father had been sent to Scotland to evaluate the feasibility of siting a Westinghouse factory in Clydeside. The factory was eventually sited in Trafford Park in Stretford, Lancashire, and the family subsequently relocated there.



Well look at that!!! Globalization already at work in the 1800's. wink


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#4478071 - 06/14/19 12:51 PM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: Meatsheild]  
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Originally Posted by Meatsheild

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Charles Lindburgh made a more famous crossing some years later , but Alcock and Brown were first.



first NON STOP flight, the US navy (NC-4, commanded by Albert C. Read to be exact) were first to fly planes from one side to the other the month before (3 started, one finished), although they flew over in stages and with a heck of a lot of more support, they went from newfoundland, azores, lisbon, then up to the UK smile

and fun fact, NC-4 is actually owned by the Smithsonian Institution and it currently on display in the Naval Aviation Museum, Pensacola Florida smile


Some trivia,
The crewmen of the NC-1, including future Admiral Marc Mitscher, were rescued by the Greek cargo ship SS Ionia. This ship took the NC-1 in tow, but it sank three days later and was lost in deep water.
The pilots of the NC-3, including future Admiral Jack Towers, taxied their floatplane some 200 nautical miles (370 km; 230 mi) to reach the Azores, where it was taken in tow by a U.S. Navy ship.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4478095 - 06/14/19 02:30 PM Re: Alcock and Brown [Re: No105_Archie]  
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Tthe US navy (NC-4, commanded by Albert C. Read to be exact) were first to fly planes from one side to the other the month before



These guys left from Botwood Nfld and headed for the Azores. The seaplane bases they used still exists and is now used as a local boat launch


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