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#4491972 - 10/08/19 01:15 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: NineLine]  
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Originally Posted by NineLine
Yeah the RWR thing is fixed internally, I think the dev involved was a little embarrassed by this one, one of those crunch time things that slips in the noise of everything else going on. Force10 might be able to feel for this a little bit, reminded me of customers sending files into our shop to have something printed and the forgot all the links to their files smile

Anyways, I know the Viper release isnt going to win a lot of the people here over, its very Alpha, and will be receiving a lot of love over the next while, I expect it will be Open Beta release again this week with Viper fixes. But I am not going to try and change anyones mind here, certainly it's not in the shape some people would be happy with, we tried to be clear how early it was, but at the end of the day, people want what they want, and we are working hard to get it there.


So far I'm actually liking it.
It's similar, but different than BMS and hopefully will improve with time. ( I keep checking that the airflow knob is in normal every #%&*$# startup)
Find myself trying to do stuff on the ICP that isn't implemented yet but hey, it is what it is for now.
How they improve it going forward will tell the resulting story.

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#4491986 - 10/08/19 05:20 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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Seriously, when people laugh at BMS F/A-18 for being just an F-16 in other clothes do I have news for them, the DCS YF-16 is nothing but a mod of DCS F/A-18

I bet the only ones saying this is a nice module are the printscreen-simmers spending 78% of their time in external view.

#4492037 - 10/08/19 12:45 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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I'm loving the DCS Viper already - the list of its early access features were communicated perfectly well and to me it's awesome already - A-A, A-G TGP capable, Air refuelling, radios, aerodynamics, VR, replays, gorgeous sounds and landscapes, well modelled adversaries... F-16 is one of my favourite things in the universe and paying $60 for such an experience feels like an incredible privilege.

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#4492125 - 10/09/19 04:06 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: theOden]  
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Originally Posted by theOden
Seriously, when people laugh at BMS F/A-18 for being just an F-16 in other clothes do I have news for them, the DCS YF-16 is nothing but a mod of DCS F/A-18

I bet the only ones saying this is a nice module are the printscreen-simmers spending 78% of their time in external view.


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#4492130 - 10/09/19 07:03 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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That's great bisher, but how do I know that's not the remaining 22%?
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#4492133 - 10/09/19 08:15 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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Oh I'm looking forward to turkey skinned f-16 screenshots over the syria map when released....

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#4492167 - 10/09/19 03:17 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: theOden]  
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Originally Posted by theOden
DBond, having had the pleasure listening to you in Falcon BMS reading all info available from OOB and God knows preparing for a mission I am dead sure you would be exceptionally disappointed in DCS with it's TE level at best.


Thanks mate, and you are probably correct. It's a shame, as I've always wanted the DCS Eagle and of course the Hornet and Viper as I'm a multi-role man at heart. I think I'm a perfect candidate for DCS, just the right demographic, but yet I pass on each and every one. My choice, and I know my single voice will spur no changes, and that's OK with me. ED won't succeed or fail based on my money, but I don't think I'm the only one that feels like I do, so surely there's significant money left on the table by EDs design decisions and development path.


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#4492264 - 10/10/19 08:47 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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Paradaz, it's not like you to remain quiet on the subject mate

#4492290 - 10/10/19 01:16 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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#4492353 - 10/10/19 08:01 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted by Winfield
Paradaz, it's not like you to remain quiet on the subject mate


I've heard all this crap before and got burned by incomplete tat that ED can't/won't complete. I'll entertain modules that get completed and have a combat environment to fly in....if it ever happens in my lifetime. At the moment, it's nothing more than a half-started button pushing start-up procedure simulator and screenshot generator. I've got much better things to do with my time than waste it in this massive loss of potential.

Originally Posted by DBond
but I don't think I'm the only one that feels like I do, so surely there's significant money left on the table by EDs design decisions and development path


No, you're not the only one......and I don't think ED ever have significant funds due to their utter incompetence. The only time ED probably do have funds is on the release of an early-access....however, as others have mentioned, these funds are instantly spaffed on the previous platform's development that is undoubtedly over-budget, unplanned and stumbling from one problem to the next. Does anyone really think that F16 early access funds will go anywhere else than the Hornet overspend. ED couldn't project manage a night out on the piss, never mind a complex software development and integration activity.


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#4492401 - 10/11/19 02:31 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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So it's going great, right guys??? Guys??? ...... Guys?

#4492416 - 10/11/19 05:56 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: NineLine]  
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Originally Posted by NineLine
So it's going great, right guys??? Guys??? ...... Guys?


If 'great' is defined as nothing has changed in the last 10 years then yes....absolutely great.

Early access platforms, never finished, no roadmap, no timeline, bug fixes that break functionality moving forward, change of plans, feature-creep.....and then an announcement and early access release of the next platform.

The definition of someone/something making the same mistakes over and over again, not learning from them and not making any improvements is 'incompetent'. I'd suggest that's the word you're looking for.


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#4492418 - 10/11/19 06:17 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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Well, I would disagree with you, but I am sure that wouldn't do any of us any good. So chaff/flare wink

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#4492458 - 10/11/19 02:16 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: NineLine]  
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Originally Posted by NineLine
Well, I would disagree with you, but I am sure that wouldn't do any of us any good. So chaff/flare wink


You can disagree all you want but until ED actually starts making some positive changes, I have to agree with Paradaz.

The Hornet has been in EA for over a year, still no end in sight... no ATFLIR, A/A radar is still not fully functional, no ground radar (how is it that Heatblur and a free mod team (Community A-4E-C) managed to implement ground radar before yall???..there is NO excuse) and the most recent "patch" shows where the priorities are even though ED stated numerous times that Hornet development would not be hindered by the Viper. Quit lying to your paying customers and yall might not have to worry so much about how to keep the lights on....

#4492459 - 10/11/19 02:23 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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I like the DCS model. Early access is what it is. You can wait for the finished model if you want or have it as soon as you can to play with. People complain that the early access modules are buggy, then DON"T BUY THEM! Simple as that. Wait a year or even 2 to purchase them. I would rather have them sooner than later. Gives me more time to learn.


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#4492461 - 10/11/19 02:37 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: specialksl]  
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Originally Posted by specialksl
I like the DCS model. Early access is what it is. You can wait for the finished model if you want or have it as soon as you can to play with. People complain that the early access modules are buggy, then DON"T BUY THEM! Simple as that. Wait a year or even 2 to purchase them. I would rather have them sooner than later. Gives me more time to learn.


That "logic" is flawed at best. How do you know how buggy a module is until you actually buy it?? They aren't offering free trials of the modules last time I checked.... they aren't exactly advertising how buggy their products are either. The "if you don't like it don't buy it" line is BULLSH&T. Where in the list of the features of the current EA Viper does it list, "oh by the way, we didn't even bother to even finish the external lighting and there is no damage model" I highly doubt they would've released a third party module in that poor of a state.


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#4492462 - 10/11/19 02:51 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: reconmercs]  
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Originally Posted by reconmercs
That "logic" is flawed at best. How do you know how buggy a module is until you actually buy it??


Um. Research?

#4492466 - 10/11/19 03:11 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: specialksl]  
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Originally Posted by specialksl
I like the DCS model. Early access is what it is. You can wait for the finished model if you want or have it as soon as you can to play with. People complain that the early access modules are buggy, then DON"T BUY THEM! Simple as that. Wait a year or even 2 to purchase them. I would rather have them sooner than later. Gives me more time to learn.


To each his own. I think everyone on this board knows what early access means, and understands that things will be missing. But the expectation is that these modules will be finished in a reasonable amount of time. Isn't this where ED falls down? So much so that I've come to see EDs EA as the actual release. I made a comment before about ED finding a 'grey area between concept and execution', and it's early access. By calling it early access they have effectively shielded themselves from the responsibility to actually finish it. If it stays in EA forever, what do we have? Just, 'access'?

You're free to call it like you see it, but for me attitudes like yours are what enables this to happen in the first place.

If someone might indulge me, how many modules have been released and how many are complete? What do the numbers say? NineLine would have this info.


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#4492470 - 10/11/19 03:50 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted by reconmercs
That "logic" is flawed at best. How do you know how buggy a module is until you actually buy it??


Um. Research?



Um. where was ED stating the external model and damage model weren't complete BEFORE the release and BEFORE the discount went away?

#4492471 - 10/11/19 04:07 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: reconmercs]  
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Originally Posted by reconmercs
Um. where was ED stating the external model and damage model weren't complete BEFORE the release and BEFORE the discount went away?


Same answer you'd have to research that. I'm not doing if for you smile

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