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#4474159 - 05/15/19 04:10 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Originally Posted by GrayGhost
Wags in particular held some sort of clearance given his past work, so he knows how this stuff works. The MIBs can easily pay him a visit and he'd certainly not want such a thing, nor would ED wish to be barred from contracts with certain entities based upon Oleg's adventures - and they may well be asked to prove this.
So you can bet that if they say they weren't involved, you'll have an extremely hard time proving that they were.



Have you ever noticed that you don't have to be proven guilty of a crime to have serious consequences result in terms of business matters. The very fact that he was an ED employee at the time of the alleged activity combined with the fact that the information being sought was directly in line with the work he was doing for ED (avionics simulations) does not bode well for anyone involved or connected with those involved. Just because Wags knew what the rules and consequences were does not reflect well on him or other ED employees. Again, guilt by association may not be valid in a court of law but it can carry a lot of weight in the business world, especially where military, or related, contracts are involved.

In short, this can possibly result in damage to ED's credibility in the industry, especially where it concern their non-commercial contracts. This is especially true since the alleged offenses all occurred during Oleg's (Olgerd is his forum name) employment with ED and his involvement in active projects.


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#4474163 - 05/15/19 06:38 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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Wonder if all of Olgerd's posts have been deleted or sanitised on the ED forums...


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#4474165 - 05/15/19 08:28 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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ah...just get's better and better.

Mind you, this happened during development of Arma3 in Greece. Difference is, BIS publicly supported their developers who were deemed to be spies.
Imagine if Nine Line was an official ambassador. oh wait up, he is an ambassador.for ED...no support for the former 'endorsed developer'

shame shame shame.

#4474218 - 05/15/19 05:39 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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I think this is probably being blown out of proportion - were / are the manuals in question declassified material? If so, and it seems likely that they were not classified, this seems like much ado about nothing as the documents could just as easily be digitized and read by anyone with an internet connection.

The crux of the issue seems to be that physical copies were exported.

There are lots of stupid laws that exist like this. The US has bans on exporting things like handcuffs and encryption technology as well.

#4474229 - 05/15/19 08:17 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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I don't believe it's being blown out of proportion. The manuals are always classified, at least FOUO if nothing else. The issue seems to be this:

You can purchase these manuals from 'authorized dealers' if you yourself can somehow prove to have the need for them. It appears that this is what Oleg was going for, but that is just speculation.

In any case, the court documents clearly state what is being violated.


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#4474230 - 05/15/19 08:20 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Winfield]  
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Not quite the same. In Greece you're not allowed to be taking pictures anywhere near military installations overall. In may or may not be silly, depending on exactly what it is you're doing. I doubt BIS' business depended on this and further, BIS sent those guys to do that job, AFAIK. Oleg probably knew what his was doing, and likely despite being told that ED could not and would not use documents obtained in a manner contrary to what their legal department had set out. Just an assumption on my part.

Originally Posted by Winfield
ah...just get's better and better.

Mind you, this happened during development of Arma3 in Greece. Difference is, BIS publicly supported their developers who were deemed to be spies.
Imagine if Nine Line was an official ambassador. oh wait up, he is an ambassador.for ED...no support for the former 'endorsed developer'

shame shame shame.


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#4474272 - 05/16/19 05:44 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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The speculation that he was after newer manuals doesn't look too good. Mud sticks.

If ED survives this I wouldn't be betting on seeing more modern US aircraft in DCS!

#4474282 - 05/16/19 11:07 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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The following is from a PM between myself and another member here
Regarding Dave Kinney's agenda with the F-35.....

We weren't far off with our judgement....just had the wrong developer

Most noteworthy is where I mention the flight manuals being hidden in the code
Seems plausible considering the circumstances. He was after F35 and F22 manuals.....

Originally Posted by Winfield
It could be said that David Kinney had high level security access to the F-35 as a consultant. After all he did create advanced training simulators for the military and more specifically the F-35.
If you have that level of clearance, what do you think would pay more

1. the average wage maybe 100-150K per year developing simulations

2. using the resources you have in terms of technical software that develops avionics for the B2 and F-22 and selling it off to the chinese\Russians. Perhaps Kinney should be charged with treason if it is proven he did indeed sell out after his failed kickstarter..

His asking price was $75,000 to develop the F-35 into DCS, that would be about half his yearly wage in the real world. If he succeeded and got his $75K, would he have been able to create and publish the F-35 to make it viable as a 1 man band?

No doubt when the kickstarter failed, Kinney probably sold off the resources....he probably created a simulator that shows how the advanced avionics work on the B2 and F-22 and sold that off as well.

About Kinney

partial resume of Kinney

this point is quite interesting

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Which makes me wonder why the Mercer family, also the owners of Breitbart & Cambridge Analytica, allowed their company MadCatz to shill Combat Pilot. Why a group of friends of Kinney's son, heavily involved in Rick Warren's church (close friends to Rick's son who shot himself in the middle of all this) made up the majority of MadCatz employees and contractors for Combat Pilot. Why the SEC delisted MadCatz? Why the same management team that made the Kinney deal all ended up being fired for cause days before the company shut down?


What if Kinney produced the f-35 yet buried in the code was actual flight resources and data from the real aircraft? it would be easy to ship it off to the russians considering ED\TFC is a joint venture between the US and Russia.
on the surface it would look like any other module.

this is hypothetical, but why won't VEAO release the data for ED to finish the hawk? perhaps kinney struck a deal with VEAO and stashed the data in the hawk coding. Anything is possible but when you have a joint venture with USA and Russia with military contracts playing out from the joint venture.
anything is possible.




#4474301 - 05/16/19 02:36 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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Oleg most likely took the fall for his boss.

#4474312 - 05/16/19 03:14 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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I doubt that, for the reasons stated. Those manuals are useless to them - they literally have to prove they haven't used material from those manuals for certain things. If you believe the A-10C doesn't have made up systems, for example ... the RWR and CMDS.


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#4474515 - 05/17/19 07:32 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Winfield]  
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Lemme tell you a joke. two guys are sitting at a business district watering hole on a Friday night just before 5pm. One guy gets upset when his friend smirks and says.. "I'm off to find a girl to sleep with.. "
Guy 1: "So, you do this EVERY Friday night.. you leave here at 5pm and vanish, and don't come back until next week. I know you're getting lucky.. but HOW?"
Guy 2: "You see the big office building across the street? Each Friday at 5pm I go stand at the front door and say to every woman coming out... "hey, Babie??? Wanna Screw?"
Guy 1: "You're a pig! Women would HATE that."
Guy 2: "You are correct! 99 out of a hundred women slap me in the face and storm away... but oh, that 100th!"

Even a totally fake F-35 project, promoted often enough and repeated in enough social media outlets, which kept asking "backers" to provide F-35 documentation (I remember a sock-puppet account who claimed to be a F-35 crew chief from Yuma in particular) stirs up enough interest to get thousands interested back in 2013.

http://www.lockonfiles.com/forums/t...oubts/?do=findComment&comment=306478

To refresh your memory about the F-35 Kinney project supported by Eagle Dynamics during this Kickstarter, go back to 2013:
F-35 Kickstarter in 2013 http://www.lockonfiles.com/forums/topic/38960-kickstarting-your-doubts/

You don't have to build the software if your goal is just to get information from your fans. Kinney and his crew may have been simply "useful idiots" recruited by Russian interests.

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#4474520 - 05/17/19 09:59 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: SinCityJet]  
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Originally Posted by SinCityJet
Lemme tell you a joke. two guys are sitting at a business district watering hole on a Friday night just before 5pm. One guy gets upset when his friend smirks and says.. "I'm off to find a girl to sleep with.. "
Guy 1: "So, you do this EVERY Friday night.. you leave here at 5pm and vanish, and don't come back until next week. I know you're getting lucky.. but HOW?"
Guy 2: "You see the big office building across the street? Each Friday at 5pm I go stand at the front door and say to every woman coming out... "hey, Babie??? Wanna Screw?"
Guy 1: "You're a pig! Women would HATE that."
Guy 2: "You are correct! 99 out of a hundred women slap me in the face and storm away... but oh, that 100th!"

Even a totally fake F-35 project, promoted often enough and repeated in enough social media outlets, which kept asking "backers" to provide F-35 documentation (I remember a sock-puppet account who claimed to be a F-35 crew chief from Yuma in particular) stirs up enough interest to get thousands interested back in 2013.

http://www.lockonfiles.com/forums/t...oubts/?do=findComment&comment=306478

To refresh your memory about the F-35 Kinney project supported by Eagle Dynamics during this Kickstarter, go back to 2013:
F-35 Kickstarter in 2013 http://www.lockonfiles.com/forums/topic/38960-kickstarting-your-doubts/

You don't have to build the software if your goal is just to get information from your fans. Kinney and his crew may have been simply "useful idiots" recruited by Russian interests.


In today's newsletter, the boss of ED (see what I did there?) craps on with "pre purchase the Viper" With the Russian in the slammer and the mentioning of ED in mainstream news.
This is a recipe for "take the money and run" especially if Lockheed Martin\P3D & General Dynamics decide to drag eagle dynamics.over the coals.
Meanwhile the boss of ED locks a thread and states that there will future media release over the incident. Seems to me like ED are gearing up for some lawyers and this rushed through pre release is a way to fund the lawsuit.

I am curious if the Russian threads get the same Berlin wall treatment as the English side of the forums.
If it was an American charged with stealing Russian flight manuals there would be uproar in the English forums, because it's a Russian, seems the boss of ED feels the need to put up the blockade.








#4474560 - 05/18/19 12:16 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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What a joke and waste of taxpayers money - monitoring the guy and extraditing him from the other side of the world FOR BUYING STUFF ON EBAY. Do you really think that actual real bad actors would have trouble sourcing these same manuals? The ones that are LEGAL to be bought by e.g. this random old Texan gramps "Sullivan"? Circumventing international shipping - well, so? If you want to buy a US exclusive pair of Jordan trainers from the US branch of Amazon.com, you pay an intermediary to receive the parcel and forward it onwards to yourself...

The world's gone mad, one would've thought this could happen in Kafkaesque Putin's Russia, but no... Mind boggles, really does.

As for intention to buy F-22 stuff - this does sound more serious, but also more of a thought crime. No exchange ever took place.

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#4475737 - 05/28/19 02:52 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Winfield]  
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If this causes ED to stop making flight sims what the #%&*$# will we do? WTF guys shut the #%&*$# up already and hope for the best!

#4475753 - 05/28/19 08:46 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Wolfstriked]  
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Originally Posted by Wolfstriked
If this causes ED to stop making flight sims what the #%&*$# will we do? WTF guys shut the #%&*$# up already and hope for the best!


Pffft! There is little to no evidence that E.D. bases any of its business decisions upon what customers say in forum postings. The Tishchenko case is national / international news. The legal and future information access issues are bound to far outweigh anything being said in here.

Carry on, folks!

#4478573 - 06/17/19 11:59 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: SinCityJet]  
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#4478845 - 06/19/19 09:55 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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#4478862 - 06/19/19 11:56 AM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Alicatt]  
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SALT LAKE CITY — A change-of-plea and sentencing hearing has been scheduled for a Russian citizen accused of smuggling F-16 technical manuals to his nation and other countries.

Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko, who was extradited from Eastern Europe and held in the Weber County Jail in Ogden pending trial, will appear in U.S. District Court Wednesday before Judge Dale Kimball.

An August jury trial has been canceled and Tishchenko will enter a new plea, according to online court records. He earlier pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiring against the United States, smuggling and violating the Arms Export Control Act.
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An indictment said Tishchenko, 42, used an intermediary to buy F-16 fighter jet technical manuals that were for sale on eBay and ship them to him in Moscow.

Homeland Security agents said they obtained eBay records and learned that Tishchenko, from January 2012 through September 2015, auctioned F-16 flight manuals to buyers in Cyprus, Japan, the Netherlands, Australia, Germany and Taiwan.

Tishchenko, who identified himself on eBay as a developer for the Moscow-based Eagle Dynamics video game company, assured his intermediary there was no legal problem because the manuals were “obsolete.”

He only wanted to get manuals to “understand how stuff works” for implementing various fighters into the company’s Digital Combat Simulation World game, according to the indictment.

The man also inquired about obtaining F-35 and F-22 manuals, the indictment said.

Tishchenko is represented by the Federal Defender’s Office in Salt Lake City.

#4478940 - 06/19/19 06:08 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: Marc]  
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First reports I've heard indicate he's pleaded guilty and been sentenced to one year in Federal prison. The local reporter, Mark Shenefelt who had been covering the story (which got picked up and that's why we know about it) did NOT attend the hearing. I know this because he told me so himself within the last hour.

However, he's not yet showing up in the Federal Bureau of Prisons database: [url=https://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/][/url] https://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/


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#4478986 - 06/19/19 10:13 PM Re: Oleg Mikhaylovich Tishchenko developer for Eagle Dynamics jailed [Re: mdwa]  
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Is this Chuck Owl?



Roflmao no, sorry to disappoint.

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