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#4470695 - 04/16/19 02:55 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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I'm waiting for the architect's report, especially to know exactly what is the damage on the stone structure.

But they said until now:

- Glass windows are still there, probably damage as junctions with stone wall are made with lead, plus soot.
- The "Grand Orgue" did not burn, but it took water and soot, probably damaged.
- A part of the nave collapsed
- Obviously, the framework and the roof are totaly destroyed.

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#4470724 - 04/16/19 04:53 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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Sorry about going off the rails, as this a cultural tragedy.

I wasn't political, it was personal. Still, no excuse.


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#4470734 - 04/16/19 05:53 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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Lots of money pouring in. To bad it is after the disaster.


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The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4470805 - 04/17/19 02:22 AM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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Yes, glad to see wealthy people stepping up instead of sitting back and saying, "Gee, I hope they'll rebuild it." These are people who have visited many times because they could afford to. Having them immediately accept the responsibility that comes with that wealth restores my faith in humanity, to a degree.


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#4470894 - 04/17/19 06:03 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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i heard they are raising up 800 million euros for the reconstruction...excuse me ? what is that building made of , vibranium ?
For that price they could build a new one and a small replica,too bad no one cares for the penny condition of museums and heritage untill something happen.

#4470895 - 04/17/19 06:10 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
i heard they are raising up 800 million euros for the reconstruction...excuse me ? what is that building made of , vibranium ?
For that price they could build a new one and a small replica,too bad no one cares for the penny condition of museums and heritage untill something happen.


The ever-vigilant cynic in me says that these billionaires and millionaires who have pledged donations are doing it for the great public relations bump. Nothing is ever truly free. wink


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#4470902 - 04/17/19 06:34 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
i heard they are raising up 800 million euros for the reconstruction...excuse me ? what is that building made of , vibranium ?
For that price they could build a new one and a small replica,too bad no one cares for the penny condition of museums and heritage untill something happen.


Its extremely labor and research intensive when a lot of the construction is going to be utilizing original techniques where practical, as is customary when restoring historic structures..

#4470949 - 04/18/19 12:47 AM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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Labor, yes. Research, I'm not so sure. Given the fame of the building, I would imagine there isn't much not already known and easily accessed about it.


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#4470956 - 04/18/19 01:58 AM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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Apparently the game "Assassins Creed" contains a very accurate record of the interior, usable in the restoration.


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Originally Posted by Mad Max
Apparently the game "Assassins Creed" contains a very accurate record of the interior, usable in the restoration.


WOW, just watched it again tonight. Unreal.


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#4470975 - 04/18/19 07:00 AM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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A decision is going to need to be made as to whether they restore it to its last representation which was an 1800's restoration, or to the original building style as it was built some 800 years ago.

#4471014 - 04/18/19 01:41 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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They might not be as committed to replicating an earlier state as one might expect.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/46083/france-will-host-international-design-competition-emily-zanotti

That appears to just be about the spire, so maybe the cathedral internals will be more of a restoration, if it is possible.

#4471015 - 04/18/19 01:50 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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Wild that this took over a hundred years to build. Nowdays, we put up skyscrapers in a few years. I doubt though, that such craftmanship as seen in this and other gothic works, is possible in modern times.

#4471026 - 04/18/19 03:19 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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And, there wasn't any computers around to help with the designing of the structure.

If any are interested, Middle Age Architecture: How the great cathedrals were built - Documentary



There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4471072 - 04/18/19 08:32 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Wild that this took over a hundred years to build. Nowdays, we put up skyscrapers in a few years.

My son said the same thing last night, Blast. But, as I reminded him, doing that kind of stone work by hand takes time. I don't think the average person considers that very much. Too spoiled by what one man with a hydraulic machine can do. But to lift thousand-pound blocks with timber and rope hoists... just to build the hoists, for that matter...takes time. And as you mentioned, the intricate carvings done by hand, are also very time consuming.


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#4471080 - 04/18/19 09:01 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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I'm sure most of you here know it, but I found Ken Follett's "Pillars of the Earth" very interesting when it came to descriping (obviously not in a fully documentary way) how a cathedral was built, and the finer nuances of how to manage all that weight and static calculations. Pretty impressive indeed in a world without computers.

#4471090 - 04/18/19 09:35 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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I’ve read that too. It was very interesting and I learned a lot of things I had not even considered. It made me understand some of the architectural techniques.


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#4471096 - 04/18/19 09:51 PM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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Thee is such national and civic identity tied up here, it's hard to really gauge the loss.


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#4471110 - 04/19/19 01:38 AM Re: Notre Dame de Paris in fire [Re: Roudou]  
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The National Cathedral in Washington DC was started in 1907 under President Teddy Roosevelt and completed in 1990 under President George H.W Bush.
Stone work even in the 20th century takes a long time and a whole lot of money.

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