#4318262 - 12/08/16 04:00 AM
Re: Two sided coin...
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7 km seems too low for the B-2..Fully agree. 7km is way too low. The attackers of Yugoslavia was separated into two packages. The North Package attacked Belgrade, and Novi Sad region with stealth bombers only, while the South Package attacked Kosovo and Nis region with ALU (non stealth) bombers. Austrian radar plots of the NATO armada flying through Slovenia, Hungary and the Adriatic sea.The North Package attacking Belgrade usually consisted 2 EA-6Bs (ECM), 2 pairs of F-15Cs (CAP), 2 pairs of F-16CJs (SEAD), some F-117A, and 1~2 B-2A (flown independently from the package) but using similar TOT as the package. To avoid mid-air collisions over enemy territory, each mission type of the north package were flown in its own dedicated altitude band, as the CAP and SEAD planes could not see the bombers on their radars, while the stealth bombers had no air-to-air radar and operated under strict radio silence. Typical North Package:4 F-15C entering Yugoslav airspace from Hungary 2min before the CJ’s 2x2ship CAP, separated by 25 miles (east - west), north of Belgrade, out of SAM rings Wingmen 5 miles trail Mid-high 30’s alt6xAIM-120 or 4xAIM-120 + 2xAIM-7MH 2xAIM-9M 3xFuel tank 4 F-16CJ entering Yugoslav airspace from Hungary 20’s alt2xHARM 2xAIM120A 2xAIM-9M 2xFuel Tank AN/ASQ-213 Harm Targeting System (HTS) pod AN/ALQ-184 ECM pod 4xAN/ALE-50 Towed Decoy 2 EA-6B circling over Hungary ECM 10 F-117A entering Yugoslav airspace from Hungary, flying down south above the Yugoslav-Romanian or Yugoslav-Croatian border, than spider routes towards their targets below CJ’s mainly above 15kft2xLGB 2 B-2A flying independently from the packages, from south to north all throughout the whole country way above everyone16xJDAMS Cpt Michael "Dozer" Shower about the first night (F15C pilot): " We were in mid- to high 30s, and the CJs in the 20s. The F117s were below them, and the B-2s came through WAY above everyone. This gave us a concern, having JDAMs coming down through us, but it was big-sky-theory in such a tight airspace. We were really stuck; we didn't know where they would be, we had no way to see or avoid them, and we had to stay close to MiG bases." He had a close encounter unbeknownst to him with an F-117A, when he descended below his altitude band during a dogfight with a MiG-29. Capt Mike Shower of the 493FS shoots down a MiG-29 over the outskirts of Belgrade in a night-time interception witnessed by an F-117
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#4402364 - 01/29/18 10:09 AM
Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade
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Good map! I will add firings to it. HARM scattering is especially interesting.
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#4402366 - 01/29/18 11:02 AM
Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade
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Good map! I will add firings to it. HARM scattering is especially interesting. Firings are there.... (at least succesful ones...) Here zoomable picture.. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3_%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B0_3_%D1%80%D0%B4_%D0%9F%D0%92%D0%9E.jpg
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#4459207 - 01/29/19 07:36 PM
Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade
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Few days ago, Colonel Tiosav Jankovich was appointed as a commander of the 250th SAM Brigade. 19 years ago, he was a young beginner at the 3rd SAM battalion led by Zoltán Dani and participated in the shooting down of the current US Air Force Chief of Staff David Goldfein's F-16CG. Congratulation! Colonel Tiosav Jankovic (now Commander of the 250th Missile Brigade, PVO VS), remembered the shooting of Goldfein's F-16CG: - I'm rotating the antenna to the right (clockwise). At the moment when the first target return began to disappear from the screen, somewhat closer, to the right of the vertical marker, a new, smaller one appeared, like as MiG-29 one. I realized that both reflections are at the same course and height, and that the other is closer and I think that the first one is the decoy (AN/ALE-50). I quickly bring the second return into the cross-section of the marker and submit it to tracking. I'm looking at the instruments, the speed is about 250 m /s, Parameter - about 4 km. I was not even finished reporting, when Dotlic shouts "Launch". Pressing PUSK. The distance to the target was 14 to 15 km. The first one takes off, then second one, the first one is in a guidance .... The missile comes close to the target, and explodes at a distance of about 11 km. A large explosion engulfed the target. The Azimuth was is 320 degrees .... According to our estimation, the hit was in the wider area of ​​Brestac village, the plane then continued its flight in the direction of Batajnica. They then inform us the plane turned to Tuzla, losing height. Fearing, however, that he did not cross the border, we are waiting for news with awe. After a while, they reported that the F-16CG plane crashed on Cer... source
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#4471332 - 04/20/19 07:15 PM
Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade
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Nice! Did you see SA-2 in the forest? Yes, it was a holy #%&*$# moment, would like to find one ;-)
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#4497418 - 11/16/19 11:15 PM
Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade
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http://www.airforce-magazine.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2000/June%202000/0600silver.aspxOn April 14, Capt. Cary N. Culbertson was leading a flight of F-16CJs that was providing suppression of enemy air defenses for B-2 bombers on a strike mission near Belgrade. The Serbs fired three SA-3s-presumably at the F-16s and not at the stealthy and much higher B-2s. Culbertson turned his F-16 toward the rising missiles and attacked the SA-3 site with a High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile. Then the Serbs launched two more SA-3s, this time directly at Culbertson's jet. "At this point," says Culbertson's Silver Star citation, "Captain Culbertson would have been justified to discontinue his attack and defend against the incoming missiles, but instead, with total disregard for his own personal safety and [with] the lives of his flight members foremost in his mind, he continued his attack." He fired another HARM, which took out the SAM radar. Then he evaded the SA-3s. The Serbs tried one more time from a different site, firing another salvo of SA-3s-and drawing a HARM from Culbertson's wingman.That night, the 250/4rd PVO was operating from the south of Dolovo town. They launched 2 missiles Betha=90, D=8, when a HARM was launched against from their back, Betha=30. They immediately launched 2 new missiles against the new target at Betha=30, D=13. The HARM detonation sprayed fragments at the UNK and the UNV vans. The battery suffered two injuries. On Google Earth, you can still find the place where this battle was fought. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capt. Sonny P. Blinkinsop also took unusual risks to protect his fellow pilots from Serb missiles. While he led a group of F-16CJs against some SAM sites near Obrva, Yugoslavia, on May 2, the Serbs launched several SA-3s at the formation. As one of the F-16s turned to fire a HARM at the SAM battery, another salvo of SA-3s was launched. Blinkinsop turned his aircraft toward the launch site-and into the path of the oncoming missiles-to fire a HARM at the battery. That act silenced the site. Then as the F-16s were reforming, the Serbs launched two more SA-3s at a second wave of NATO strike aircraft entering the area. Blinkinsop fired his last HARM at that SAM battery, shutting it down and letting the strikers escape safely. Blinkinsop's disregard for his own safety during this mission earned him the Silver Star. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The final Silver Star recipient may have done as much to save a colleague as any of the rescue forces. On June 7, Maj. William L. Thomas Jr. was flying with a group of F-16s near Batajnica airfield, near Belgrade, when he located four Serbian MiG-29s parked below. He and his wingman each destroyed one of the jets on a first pass over the airfield. On a second pass Thomas destroyed a third MiG. But the Serbs, meanwhile, had fired two SA-3s, which forced Thomas's wingman into evasive maneuvers. The plume from one of the missiles temporarily blinded the wingman, who went into a low-altitude dive in the midst of a AAA field. Thomas flew into the AAA zone and dispensed flares, so the artillery barrages would target him instead of his wingman. It worked. Both pilots escaped.It was Dani Zoltan's 250/3rd PVO last shooting (7th) of the war. They were located north of Dec, and launched 2 missiles at 23:54 (Beta=0, D=15km), using TV-RL guidance. Both missiles were missed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The other two Silver Star situation of the OAF are exist in the SAMSIM. 450 brigade had 19 engagements: 1 rd-1 2 rd-3 3 rd-7 4 rd-8 450 brigade lost only one battery, 250 lost all but 3 and 8.... 3/250 is the only battery never put out of action by NATO Via Kubovac
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#4501410 - 12/24/19 02:54 PM
Re: Allied Force B-2A Raid on Belgrade
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http://www.airforce-magazine.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2000/June%202000/0600silver.aspxOn April 14, Capt. Cary N. Culbertson was leading a flight of F-16CJs that was providing suppression of enemy air defenses for B-2 bombers on a strike mission near Belgrade. The Serbs fired three SA-3s-presumably at the F-16s and not at the stealthy and much higher B-2s. Culbertson turned his F-16 toward the rising missiles and attacked the SA-3 site with a High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile. Then the Serbs launched two more SA-3s, this time directly at Culbertson's jet. "At this point," says Culbertson's Silver Star citation, "Captain Culbertson would have been justified to discontinue his attack and defend against the incoming missiles, but instead, with total disregard for his own personal safety and [with] the lives of his flight members foremost in his mind, he continued his attack." He fired another HARM, which took out the SAM radar. Then he evaded the SA-3s. The Serbs tried one more time from a different site, firing another salvo of SA-3s-and drawing a HARM from Culbertson's wingman.That night, the 250/4rd PVO was operating from the south of Dolovo town. They launched 2 missiles Betha=90, D=8, when a HARM was launched against from their back, Betha=30. They immediately launched 2 new missiles against the new target at Betha=30, D=13. The HARM detonation sprayed fragments at the UNK and the UNV vans. The battery suffered two injuries. On Google Earth, you can still find the place where this battle was fought. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capt. Sonny P. Blinkinsop also took unusual risks to protect his fellow pilots from Serb missiles. While he led a group of F-16CJs against some SAM sites near Obrva, Yugoslavia, on May 2, the Serbs launched several SA-3s at the formation. As one of the F-16s turned to fire a HARM at the SAM battery, another salvo of SA-3s was launched. Blinkinsop turned his aircraft toward the launch site-and into the path of the oncoming missiles-to fire a HARM at the battery. That act silenced the site. Then as the F-16s were reforming, the Serbs launched two more SA-3s at a second wave of NATO strike aircraft entering the area. Blinkinsop fired his last HARM at that SAM battery, shutting it down and letting the strikers escape safely. Blinkinsop's disregard for his own safety during this mission earned him the Silver Star. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The final Silver Star recipient may have done as much to save a colleague as any of the rescue forces. On June 7, Maj. William L. Thomas Jr. was flying with a group of F-16s near Batajnica airfield, near Belgrade, when he located four Serbian MiG-29s parked below. He and his wingman each destroyed one of the jets on a first pass over the airfield. On a second pass Thomas destroyed a third MiG. But the Serbs, meanwhile, had fired two SA-3s, which forced Thomas's wingman into evasive maneuvers. The plume from one of the missiles temporarily blinded the wingman, who went into a low-altitude dive in the midst of a AAA field. Thomas flew into the AAA zone and dispensed flares, so the artillery barrages would target him instead of his wingman. It worked. Both pilots escaped.It was Dani Zoltan's 250/3rd PVO last shooting (7th) of the war. They were located north of Dec, and launched 2 missiles at 23:54 (Beta=0, D=15km), using TV-RL guidance. Both missiles were missed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The other two Silver Star situation of the OAF are exist in the SAMSIM. 450 brigade had 19 engagements: 1 rd-1 2 rd-3 3 rd-7 4 rd-8 450 brigade lost only one battery, 250 lost all but 3 and 8.... 3/250 is the only battery never put out of action by NATO Via Kubovac
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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