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#4468284 - 03/31/19 12:23 PM I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement  
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Reducing tensions is a good thing. But even though there is a host nation observer onboard, I am skeptical about cheating because it is so easily disguised.


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27206/the-russians-just-did-a-fly-by-of-area-51


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#4468293 - 03/31/19 02:28 PM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: oldgrognard]  
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How weird is that. A Russian plane taking off in America to take pictures and other things of American installations so the Russians can then peruse the data. Imagine what people in the '50's and '60's would thought of something like this ever coming to be lol. How times have changed.


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#4468297 - 03/31/19 03:05 PM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: Ajay]  
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Originally Posted by Ajay
Imagine what people in the '50's and '60's would thought of something like this ever coming to be lol. How times have changed.


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#4468346 - 03/31/19 10:27 PM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: oldgrognard]  
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I knew about the proposal from the Eisenhower era that was partly scuttled because of the U2 shoot down in 1960 but I hadn't heard about this new round.


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#4468349 - 03/31/19 10:37 PM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Secrecy inflates paranoia and therefore can have a destabilizing effect; with mutually assured destruction that's a lose-lose proposition. There's still enough that can be kept hidden. What you don't want to hide (unless you're a baddie) are your preparations for war.

#4468351 - 03/31/19 11:22 PM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: oldgrognard]  
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When you can have an overflight by a satellite, with no indication of that the Russians are looking at, or a 'flight near Area 51' where you know what they are interested in...
This might increase US intelligence more than it does Russian. (The question often says more about the asker than the answers they get).

#4468361 - 04/01/19 12:29 AM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: wheelsup_cavu]  
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Originally Posted by wheelsup_cavu
I knew about the proposal from the Eisenhower era that was partly scuttled because of the U2 shoot down in 1960 but I hadn't heard about this new round.


The Powers U2 shoot down had nothing to do with it. Khrushchev rejected the proposal years before that incident.


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#4468368 - 04/01/19 01:22 AM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: oldgrognard]  
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#4468372 - 04/01/19 02:02 AM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Only on a Need to Know basis, Who makes this decision has yet to be determined. So much for Fake news. WOW, This could be real.


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#4468373 - 04/01/19 02:23 AM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
The Powers U2 shoot down had nothing to do with it. Khrushchev rejected the proposal years before that incident.

It was on the table again until the shoot down helped scuttle it again. Kruschev wanted an apology for the overflights and Eisenhower refused.


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#4468388 - 04/01/19 06:08 AM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Wow, I never heard of this before. It sounds pretty crazy and like something that just shouldn't be. I don't know anything about however I really wouldn't want to see them letting China do something like this. Its an interesting thing though that sounds like it would make for a good fictional, "what if something went wrong" military thriller book.


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#4468408 - 04/01/19 12:47 PM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: oldgrognard]  
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The US has already completed three OST flyovers of Russia this year.

I took the group photo Friday of the Russian crew and US escorts in front of the Russian plane, in Great Falls at the end of their missions here. The group photo is a common thing; I even was forwarded a template and examples from an Air Force Base in California.


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#4468409 - 04/01/19 12:55 PM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: oldgrognard]  
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This plane overflew the US 2 years ago, I was at an air show in MA when it flew over. I'm assuming Russia must have satellites that also fly over the US and area 51?


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#4468824 - 04/04/19 04:16 AM Re: I was unaware of this “Open Skies” agreement [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
Reducing tensions is a good thing. But even though there is a host nation observer onboard, I am skeptical about cheating because it is so easily disguised.


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27206/the-russians-just-did-a-fly-by-of-area-51


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