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#4468419 - 04/01/19 01:14 PM Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! -- SOME SPOILERS  
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The final season of GOT will be airing in just 2 short weeks! I haven't been this excited about a final season of a show since Battlestar Galactica.

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#4468447 - 04/01/19 03:34 PM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Hopefully the last episode won't blow like Battlestar Galactica's....well the 2nd half anyway.

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#4468450 - 04/01/19 03:58 PM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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You didn't like the end of BSG? I thought the ending was a hell of a lot better than... *spoiler alert* simply finding "Earth" and living happily ever after.

The one twist I truly wanted to see in BSG was that humans never created cylons--the cylons created us. We never got that, but we got a compromise--that humans and cylons bred together and some humans are part human, part cylon. All the pieces were there. They simply needed to exploit them. Wouldn't that have been something? Humans, a flawed, derivative of perfect beings--religious, nonetheless, origin of which unexplained, but the true precursors to modern man. That'd be interesting sci-fi.

#4468483 - 04/01/19 08:37 PM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I can't wait, I need to watch last season just to get refreshed on everything.


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Yup, it's time for me to start my HBO GO subscription again (as I said on Facebook). GoT is basically the best thing going for my taste. The only other things I currently enjoy are Stranger Things and Dark (German Netflix production).


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Okay, done - signed up for HBO GO through Amazon Prime. Ready to nerd out! smile


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I'm done streaming it - stopped at the end of season six and decided to wait till the whole thing is finished and then buy it all on Blu-ray.

Two reasons:

1. I've learned I strongly prefer watching at my own pace, and
2. I had the opportunity at a friends house to directly compare HD streaming to Blu-ray (with something else) and the Blu-ray was a much bigger improvement than I'd expected (although the streaming version was still at least 85/90% as good).

I still stream lots of stuff, but for certain epic things I want the absolute best possible quality (not to mention simply having physical possession).

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I don't stream but have regular HBO not HBO GO (whatever that is) When is it on ??


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#4468535 - 04/02/19 06:56 AM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Would have considered to register to a streaming service for the first time, but as it overlaps with an easter vacation, I will at least wait till May with such endeavours. Maybe even until it is aired here in Germany on freeTV and/or available on BR a few months later?! Not sure whether I can resist so long...
Well, otherwise I am prepared - finished reading the books again, and watched all episodes in March screwy

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Originally Posted by WhoCares
I will at least wait till May with such endeavours. Maybe even until it is aired here in Germany on freeTV and/or available on BR a few months later?! Not sure whether I can resist so long...



Be prepared to stay AWAY from the internet if you are not going to watch the final season episodes on release. Spoilers will be everywhere.


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I don't mind me my share of spoilers and will happily search for them as well as excerpts, synopsis', ... Doesn't ruin it for me - maybe I have such a short attention span and memory, that, whenever I finally see the show, I wont remember all the info that I got beforehand zombie

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I don't watch it but my daughters do. It will cost us another 30 buckaroos a month to get it, on top of the standard package, plus my sports for F1 and the V8s, plus Hulu, plus Netflix. I'll be going the yaaar route as it hits torrents in HD about 30 minutes after each episode.

Because there is so many tens of thousands downloading it immediately it hits the web it takes under a minute to be watching it. If there was a decent all in one package we would shell out, but there isn't. They give you so much unwatchable crud with the needed base package and then throw and split the other stuff up that it just becomes too expensive.

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Happy birthday Ajay!!

Ask your family to get you an HBO subscription as a gift. smile


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Originally Posted by rwatson
I don't stream but have regular HBO not HBO GO (whatever that is) When is it on ??


If you have regular HBO, you get HBO at no additional cost.

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Thanks mate! Nearly the big five-0 would you believe! Missed out on the sub..but, my daughter did get me a framed, shirtless pic of Tom Cruise biggrin


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#4470483 - 04/15/19 09:48 AM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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So who watched the first episode last night?

No spoilers of course but all I will say is that there’s no way both Jon Snow and Danaerys will survive the show. One of them is going to go down.


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Jon Snow keeps riding dragons he might be the one to go..


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
So who watched the first episode last night?

No spoilers of course but all I will say is that there’s no way both Jon Snow and Danaerys will survive the show. One of them is going to go down.


I think it would have been more realistic when Jon Snow found out that Daenarys was his Aunt if he had that look of surprise and disbelief melt away and turn into disgust and then he throws up.


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I thought the single best scene in the episode is where Sam meets Danaerys and he finds out what happened to his father and brother. What a powerful piece of acting that was.


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Kit HArrington hosted SNL the other night and he was clean shaven and had a haircut, a sad sign that Game of Thrones was surely over. It was really weird seeing him that way...and speaking with an American accent for sketches.

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Originally Posted by bones
Kit HArrington hosted SNL the other night and he was clean shaven and had a haircut, a sad sign that Game of Thrones was surely over. It was really weird seeing him that way...and speaking with an American accent for sketches.

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He's a very good actor but I'm sure he's well aware that he will overwhelmingly be remembered for GOT regardless of what he does in the future.

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I thought the single best scene in the episode is where Sam meets Danaerys and he finds out what happened to his father and brother. What a powerful piece of acting that was.


Very true, we had just ordered HBO just for this through Amazon. On a smart TV you scroll over to GoT and there were these small clips that I'm assuming are place holders for each episode. One of them shows where they all were when they started. Sam only had 3 hours of camera time before his first scene and John had his first in episode 1.


The thing that's so amazing about this show is that prior, you didn't know 1 actor beside Dinklage. Now you're seeing most of them pop up everywhere. The biggest one I've seen in at least 4-5 shows already is Pedro Pascal, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0050959/?ref_=tt_cl_t1

He has plenty of credit prior to GoT, but I don't recall ever seeing him before.

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Originally Posted by Top Gun


The thing that's so amazing about this show is that prior, you didn't know 1 actor beside Dinklage. Now you're seeing most of them pop up everywhere. The biggest one I've seen in at least 4-5 shows already is Pedro Pascal, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0050959/?ref_=tt_cl_t1

He has plenty of credit prior to GoT, but I don't recall ever seeing him before.




The only actors I recognized from the GOT pilot episode were Lena Headey, Sean Bean and Jason Momoa. Everyone else was a total unknown to me.

Later on I found out that Peter Dinklage had done a few things before GOT but I didn't watch any of them.


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Got an email from my cable provider... my son has activated the service to get the show, then he phoned me to ask if he could activate the service biggrin

While I should be able to watch it online from my Belgian cable provider the connection is so slow it won't play frown


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
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The thing that's so amazing about this show is that prior, you didn't know 1 actor beside Dinklage. Now you're seeing most of them pop up everywhere. The biggest one I've seen in at least 4-5 shows already is Pedro Pascal, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0050959/?ref_=tt_cl_t1

He has plenty of credit prior to GoT, but I don't recall ever seeing him before.




The only actors I recognized from the GOT pilot episode were Lena Headey, Sean Bean and Jason Momoa. Everyone else was a total unknown to me.

Later on I found out that Peter Dinklage had done a few things before GOT but I didn't watch any of them.


oh yeah, I forgot all about Sean Bean, he's been in a bunch of TV shows, though they never seem to last more than one season

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The thing that's so amazing about this show is that prior, you didn't know 1 actor beside Dinklage. Now you're seeing most of them pop up everywhere. The biggest one I've seen in at least 4-5 shows already is Pedro Pascal, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0050959/?ref_=tt_cl_t1

He has plenty of credit prior to GoT, but I don't recall ever seeing him before.




The only actors I recognized from the GOT pilot episode were Lena Headey, Sean Bean and Jason Momoa. Everyone else was a total unknown to me.

Later on I found out that Peter Dinklage had done a few things before GOT but I didn't watch any of them.


oh yeah, I forgot all about Sean Bean, he's been in a bunch of TV shows, though they never seem to last more than one season


Well, there is the matter of a minor character named Boromir in a relatively unknown trilogy by Peter Jackson.


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So the big battle against the white walker army is next week.

I think Sir Jorah, Theon and Tormund will die in the battle. The Hound will survive because he has his big showdown with the Mountain later on.

Theon will fully redeem himself by giving his life protecting Bran. It will be the perfect character arc.

What do you guys think?


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
So the big battle against the white walker army is next week.

I think Sir Jorah, Theon and Tormund will die in the battle. The Hound will survive because he has his big showdown with the Mountain later on.

Theon will fully redeem himself by giving his life protecting Bran. It will be the perfect character arc.

What do you guys think?


Sounds like a pretty sound guess, I was almost wondering if there was going to be something between Theon and Sansa?

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Originally Posted by Top Gun

Sounds like a pretty sound guess, I was almost wondering if there was going to be something between Theon and Sansa?


I'm pretty sure that relationship is platonic. Arya and Gendry though....whoa!!


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Probably won’t be much between Theon and Sansa. At least not on theon’s part.

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Originally Posted by Major Dragon
Probably won’t be much between Theon and Sansa. At least not on theon’s part.



Heh...well, Greyworm doesn't let that same "disability" bring him down with his girlfriend. biggrin


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Game of Thrones makes it so difficult, and also rewarding, to be a fanboy. George R. R. Martin and those dastardly series producers (David Benioff and D. B. Weiss) constantly play that "giveth and taketh away" game with favorite characters! Now, so close to the end, it is getting downright nerve-wracking! biggrin


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Major Dragon
Probably won’t be much between Theon and Sansa. At least not on theon’s part.



Heh...well, Greyworm doesn't let that same "disability" bring him down with his girlfriend. biggrin

If they have one of those "We're about to die let's have sex" scenes, it will have to involve some "cunning linguistics" . . . credit to Robin Williams. wink


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I’ve been thinking.

Maybe Yara Greyjoy and her Iron Isles army will come to the rescue of Winterfell during the upcoming battle?

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I’ve been thinking.

Maybe Yara Greyjoy and her Iron Isles army will come to the rescue of Winterhaven during the upcoming battle?


I thought they were holding the "fall back" position seeing the dead can't cross water

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Originally Posted by Top Gun


I thought they were holding the "fall back" position seeing the dead can't cross water



Yes that was mentioned but Yara also knows her brother is going to fight at Winterfell so that might change her mind.


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What a terrific show. Unlike The Walking Dead, it has never dissapointed me. The battle is going to be quite epic. They'll have to bring down the White Walker dragon at once. I'll be interested to see how they do that. My son is telling me that he thinks that Circi will be sitting on the throne, but no way. She isn't going to survive, I'm sure of it. If Jaimey lives through this, once he finds out that she meant to have him killed, I'm sure he'll finally realize that enough is enough. Either he will kill his sister, or she will kill herself. She'll finally realize that she has been the cause of every one of her childrens deaths, and do it herself.


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Originally Posted by Spidey
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He will die in a blaze of glory and will promptly go to the mead hall in Valhalla!


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It seems certain (to me) that either Jamie Lannister or Brienne will die at some point. They like each other too much for anything else to happen :/


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Agree 100% DM.

I really hope Sir Davos makes it. I like that character a lot.


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#4472229 - 04/29/19 09:45 AM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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So......how about that season 3 episode?

Let’s just say my jaw dropped at the very end when all looked lost. Those who have seen the episode know what I’m talking about.


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Yes sure was a shocker Never saw something like that coming !!


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Originally Posted by rwatson
Yes sure was a shocker Never saw something like that coming !!



My wife was shocked as well and she usually is extremely good at predicting where a story is going to go in a movie or tv show episode.


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My reaction was: F#@K YEAH !!!! biggrin


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LOL Archie pretty much my reaction !!


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I'm sure the Dothraki have fired whoever wrote their manuals on basic battlefield tactics.....


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Episode 3 was odd for me. It didn't fit the tone of the rest of the GoT series, it just seemed very "movie"-like and performed so many, many standard action-movie tropes that it was out of character.
Where were random tragic events? All your faves have survived, and the one-dimensional bad guy was defeated by surprise out-of-nowhere trope.


Doesn't the Night King have any philosophy, character, position, something that makes him not a cartoon bad guy with zombies? "Wants to bring endless night" is just tossed out as his motive, with no real philosophy driving it. He might as well have turned up and said "I'm evil".

Dothraki, an entire race, all gone in two minutes. No examination of that.

The crypt - yeah. Part of The Poor Plan biggrin No real examination of the effect of family members breaking out to attack.

The Poor Plan in general, doesn't anyone imagine the night king would sniff out the most obvious trap ever devised? biggrin And to have only Theon as the plan's guardian, the most central strategy is left to him?

Lots of characters getting into impossible positions, yet somehow finding themselves in a non-impossible position a few minutes later.

Lots of characters almost being killed, only to be saved at the last second by surprise rear attack from another character. Meh.

Night King defeat from nowhere. Maybe the next episode will provide flashbacks to make this not nonsense, fingers crossed.

I would have liked to see more of the zombie animals. Polar bears, horses, even the giant ice spiders from the books smile


Anyway, I have some issues smile but there was also lots that was awesome.

The giant was awesome.

The sense of dread.

The Unsullied performed impeccably, as you would expect. They just did everything they were supposed to correctly.

Dragon on dragon action. Woof.


And - can we talk about how dark the cinematography was biggrin I could hardly see a thing all the way through it.

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#4472403 - 04/30/19 10:40 AM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! -- SOME SPOILERS [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Excellent post DM. I agree with all your points.


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I think that the above ( very valid points ) can be summed up by the fact that there are only 3 episodes left for what would have been a couple of seasons worth of material earlier in the show, AND that this stuff was written by the producers and not Mr. Martin smile


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That's a great point Archie. In 3 remaining episodes the show needs to resolve:

- The throne succession conflict between Danaerys and Jon. I have a gut feeling this won't have a happy ending.

- The final showdown between Cersei and Jon/Danaerys. Cersei has a completely fresh, well paid large army to face off against the heavily depleted army of Jon and Danaerys. I think Jon and Danaerys will win but at a very heavy cost; even greater than their loss fighting the white walker army.

- The confrontation between Bronn and Jaime and Tyrion.

And many other big things!

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CleganBowl. As long as that happens smile


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Maybe it was just the mood I was in, maybe I have to watch it again, but I think I liked the Battle of the Bastards more than I did the Battle of Winterfell. I really felt more for the characters there, especially for Jon Snow, especially when he was being trampled unknowingly by his own men...there was alot of empathy there. Then the outcome and how Ramsay got his just desserts wrapped everything up well.


The Battle of Winterfell, I too had the issue that out of nowhere here come Arya Stark. the way she kills the Night King was great, but WTF did she come from? It seemed like lazy writing to me. But, I think overall it was not bad. I had a hard time dealing with the whole episode being at night at first because they filmed the fight scenes with such a close angle you really couldn't tell how was hacking who. I did get used to it after awhile and then the whole battle just became creepy. You can't see who is who, you don't know who you are fighting or who will jump you next, and they're DEAD to begin with.

It really sucked that the Dothraki were wiped out in an instant, but it was cool in the manner that they filmed that, seeing their flaming sickle swords going out one by one. Then the few horses coming back riderless...

Melisandra...It was good I thought that she was there to redeem herself, and to ultimately give herself up in the end. I almost forgot about her amulet...I kinda wish they showed her growing old as she walked off into the....sunrise?

Sansa sure has alot of explaining to do. I can see the Crypt survivors going, "Hey, she was gonna run and leave us and bring that imp with her!"

The Hound---I have a feeling that really was keeping him from fighting back was that there was so much fire involved.

Did Tormund survive? I hope so. What about the dragon that was overrun by zombies? I wasn't clear on that. What exactly is the undead dragon breathing? I keep thinking back to my AD&D days and how blue dragons had icy breath...what was his dragon's blue flame? Also, what about Sam? Did he live?

That really sucked when the Night King raised the dead just as Jon Snow got to him. I'm very surprised that he survived that.

It also sucked when the crypt corpses came alive. That was a dirty trick on the Night King's part. Man it would suck to be say Sansa and get killed by zombie Dad Stark.

MVP fighter of the Battle of Winterfell? Lyanna Mormont. She kept rallying the troops throughout, keeping command and control, and despite being in a killing crush of the giant, she friggin took him out singlehandedly! Way to go! Then, she rises from the dead to wreak more havoc (well, onto her own side, but hey, she kept fighting!!!)

Most heart-wrenching death? Jorah Mormont. After all he'd been through, for Danerys, and there he was at the end, fighting for her, and slipping into death after saving her without even a last word.

Next most heart-wrenching death? Theon Greyjoy. Again, after all he'd been through....seeing him lying there slowly dying as Brann gets overrun...that sucked.

Most useless and wasteful person? Brann. Never liked the guy, and especially now. OO, he turned to the 3 eye crow and can see what is going on. Big deal, give the engineers of Westeros enough time and they'll have a drone too. All those people died for him and for what? What did he possibly contribute to the cause? I thought that if they really wanted to make it interesting, they should somehow reveal that he and the Night King are somehow one and the same, or have some kind of symbiosis going, because all this time I kept thinking about how similar the two looked.


My random, rambling thoughts....

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That was a pretty good summation Bones.


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Good post bones. I am quite certain that we will learn much more about Bran and his ultimate destiny in the remaining 3 episodes.


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"there was alot of empathy there."
I think that everyone was in a nearly panic state. There were too many of them and it was all you could do to watch your own ass let alone watch someone elses.

"...out of nowhere here come Arya Stark."
Yeah, honestly, that was lazy writing. I would rather have seen her slowly working her way towards him. The suspense of wether or not she would make it. The last time we see her before that, it doesn't seem as though she was anywhere near there. But, what the hell.

"The Hound---I have a feeling that really was keeping him from fighting back was that there was so much fire involved."
I thought that was exactly the reason. He certainly wasn't somone to avoid a fight.

"What about the dragon that was overrun by zombies? I wasn't clear on that"
Wasn't he the one that joins her when the batle is over. He lands next to her and protectively wraps a wing around her. Or was that the wounded one that Jon was on? I thought Jon's dragon crash landed and died. Maybe I'm not clear on that, either.

"he and the Night King are somehow one and the same,"
There is a possiblity that this is the case. That he wanted to kill Brann so that he would never become the Knight King. There are a lot of hints to that effect during previous episodes. In one episode, they show the man who became the Knight King with his arms stretched out in a Christ on the Cross type of pose. Brann sees this, and when he goes back into his own body, the camera pans out and he is in the same pose.

I didn't think the battle would end there. There are still a couple of more episodes. Will they attack Cierci for betraying them? Do they even have a large enough army left to fight with? We shall see!



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Ooops! I didn't put a spoiler alert on that. How do you hide it? Never did that?


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That was a pretty good summation Bones.


Haha, albeit incoherent...! Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Pooch
Ooops! I didn't put a spoiler alert on that. How do you hide it? Never did that?


Go back and edit it, then surround the text you want to hide with [spoiler][/spoiler]

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Got it, thanks. What was incoherent? I understood it. Maybe that's not a good thing!


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It's ok guys. I put a disclosure about spoilers in the title of my thread. smile


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Originally Posted by bones


Did Tormund survive? I hope so.

What about the dragon that was overrun by zombies?

My random, rambling thoughts....

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Tormund made it through the night


The dragon shook of the zombies mid-air and then landed at end with Daenerys


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I'm thinking more and more how Ayria got to the Night King....and I wonder...is it possible for her to have taken on the form of one of his generals? Can she take the face of an undead?

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Originally Posted by bones
I'm thinking more and more how Ayria got to the Night King....and I wonder...is it possible for her to have taken on the form of one of his generals? Can she take the face of an undead?

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I doubt that happened. The white walkers were right behind the Night King the entire time once they entered Winterfell. I don't see how Arya could have killed one of them and taken their face without being noticed.


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Originally Posted by bones
I'm thinking more and more how Ayria got to the Night King....and I wonder...is it possible for her to have taken on the form of one of his generals? Can she take the face of an undead?

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I wondered so as well, especially with the one of them turning his head just before her attack. But then again, them white walkers tend to break into shards when killed - would need a lot of superglue to put a face back together screwy
Regarding the Dothraki charge instead of flanking and harassing against vastly superior numbers - indeed a strange way to apply a light (and ranged - haven't seen any of that) cavalry - but I would put the blame on the general coming up with such a cunning plan. Must have been the same guy that taught Theon about attacking with a spear - he did a great job in the defense, stabbing them at range etc. But as soon as he goes on attack, charge into enemy melee range - didn't work out very well… Maybe Bran should have warged into him? Or maybe he did - he never was a great fighter banghead
Regarding the story and plans of the Night King, I hope in the books we will get an hour or five of Bran reciting at the fireplace.

The dominating scheme from season 1 still holds, old people must die - I have grave fears for Ser Davos to see the end of it...

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Originally Posted by WhoCares
I have grave fears for Ser Davos to see the end of it...



He has Melisandra's necklace now so he won't be old anymore. wink


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I'm thinking more and more how Ayria got to the Night King....and I wonder...is it possible for her to have taken on the form of one of his generals? Can she take the face of an undead?

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I doubt that happened. The white walkers were right behind the Night King the entire time once they entered Winterfell. I don't see how Arya could have killed one of them and taken their face without being noticed.


I think she left for the tree, and hid there before the white walkers arrived.


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The White Walkers shatter when killed so there would be no face to use, pretty sure she just sneaked through the lines.
You can see that all the dead are doing nothing at this time, they just let Theon run through them to get to the Night King just before.


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Originally Posted by axman


what I didn't get is why yell on your way to stab him and give away your sneak attack?

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what I didn't get is why yell on your way to stab him and give away your sneak attack?


I think she was trying to distract the Night King from Bran, as he had just raised his sword to stab him.

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Whoever created the battle strategy for Winterfell has never played Total War or Stronghold ...

- Whose first move is to send their cavalry into massed infantry in a head on charge before they've even started using ranged weapons and then engaged with infantry?
- Who puts their catapults out in front of their infantry?
- Who builds castle walls full of handholds and footholds for the enemy?
- Who allows the enemy to scale their walls without covering them in boiling oil or at least parking a fire breathing dragon there to scorch them off?
- Whose moat (in this case of fire) can by crossed by a couple of infantry laying across it?
- Who protects a High Value Capture Point (Bran in Godswood) in close quarters combat with only a few archers?

And don't get me started on the whole 'who the hell lands their dragon on the ground during a battle' question.

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Originally Posted by HeinKill
Whoever created the battle strategy for Winterfell has never played Total War or Stronghold ...

- Whose first move is to send their cavalry into massed infantry in a head on charge before they've even started using ranged weapons and then engaged with infantry?
- Who puts their catapults out in front of their infantry?
- Who builds castle walls full of handholds and footholds for the enemy?
- Who allows the enemy to scale their walls without covering them in boiling oil or at least parking a fire breathing dragon there to scorch them off?
- Whose moat (in this case of fire) can by crossed by a couple of infantry laying across it?
- Who protects a High Value Capture Point (Bran in Godswood) in close quarters combat with only a few archers?

And don't get me started on the whole 'who the hell lands their dragon on the ground during a battle' question.

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Excellent points.


Ultimately there's only one thing that really can be said about this issue:


Dramatic effect was a much higher priority than military tactics realism when it came to writing and planning out the battle for the episode.


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Originally Posted by HeinKill
Whoever created the battle strategy for Winterfell has never played Total War or Stronghold ...

- Whose first move is to send their cavalry into massed infantry in a head on charge before they've even started using ranged weapons and then engaged with infantry?
- Who puts their catapults out in front of their infantry?
- Who builds castle walls full of handholds and footholds for the enemy?
- Who allows the enemy to scale their walls without covering them in boiling oil or at least parking a fire breathing dragon there to scorch them off?
- Whose moat (in this case of fire) can by crossed by a couple of infantry laying across it?
- Who protects a High Value Capture Point (Bran in Godswood) in close quarters combat with only a few archers?

And don't get me started on the whole 'who the hell lands their dragon on the ground during a battle' question.

Heiny


I would suggest you never, ever watch The Walking Dead.

The folks in GoT are friggin' military geniuses compared to TWD.

If I were planning the battle, no matter what I'd of had the Dothraki charging head on in total darkness into an army of the undead. They were poison to Westeros and would have brought nothing but disaster and ruin if they'd of remained, trashing villages, taking slaves, etc.


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Originally Posted by Dart

If I were planning the battle, no matter what I'd of had the Dothraki charging head on in total darkness into an army of the undead. They were poison to Westeros and would have brought nothing but disaster and ruin if they'd of remained, trashing villages, taking slaves, etc.


Exactly, everyone was happy with this plan - the Dothraki got to show how macho they were in front of the Westerosi who fight wearing steel dresses, and Westeros doesn’t have to deal with their barbarism. Even with the reanimated Dothraki later fighting against the Westerosi after the Night King raised the dead it was still a win for Westeros. The only way it could have been better is if the battle with Cersei had already taken place so they could have killed a few of her troops before later being deliberately sent gloriously charging headlong into the meat grinder.

I don’t see what the big deal was about Arya appearing in the Godswood. Everyone saw her run off from The Hound and Dondarrion and had to know she was going SOMEWHERE, not running from the fight like a craven. It wasn’t like she went directly from being surrounded by wights in the keep, armed only with Littlefinger’s dagger, to leaping onto TNK’s back. The whole series was nothing but unexpected moment after unexpected moment, making you shout “WTF?!?!” and hit rewind. (Or just sit there stunned and feeling like you just got punched in the stomach.) Unexpected? Wash being killed by a huge Reaver spear through the chest in Serenity was unexpected. After 7 seasons of GOT not even TNK killing Bran should have been too much of a surprise to anyone.


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Lots of fans were unhappy with how this episode worked out, I was happy with it and enjoyed the outcome of the battle -- mainly because I never cared that much for the Night King anyway.
I cared a long time ago about the Night King, but after years of not really learning about his character motivations, goals or even much about his origins, he just became a hindrance in many respects. He was as was said many times "death" personified -- it sure looked for 90% of the episode like our heroes had no chance, and either the Night King or Bran was going to die and by this point neither of them were particularly interesting to me.
There is a name for characters like Bran and the Knight King, sort of like the stolen money in Psycho or the briefcase in Pulp Fiction, and after 7 years of GoT that is how I feel about TNK and Bran frankly.

That being said, I was glad to at last see some gratitude from Bran Stark.



Some new alliances were opened up and new conflicts too, but bottom line--
These massive multi season epic series, need to end with a full episode season arc, not this half the number of episode "lets close off all the threads of the last 7 years in half the time" final seasons.

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Originally Posted by Dart
I would suggest you never, ever watch The Walking Dead.

The folks in GoT are friggin' military geniuses compared to TWD.

If I were planning the battle, no matter what I'd of had the Dothraki charging head on in total darkness into an army of the undead. They were poison to Westeros and would have brought nothing but disaster and ruin if they'd of remained, trashing villages, taking slaves, etc.


At least in TWD we're dealing with civilians in extreme situations they are not equipped to deal with smile I would have hoped the writers of GOT would have got some medieval battle experts in. Or maybe just played some Total War biggrin The Dothraki clearly should have pincered in from both sides once the dead had moved in to the infantry.
But, then we wouldn't have got a admittedly cool visual mechanic of all the flaming swords being extinguished.


Having watched that episode again, I am rather less disappointed with it. I feel there is yet unshown details to emerge. For example,
what does Jon shout when he stands up to the dead dragon? Could it be "Go!"
That would indicate something else was happening. I wouldn't put it past the writers to deliberately troll the viewing audience this way wink

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Originally Posted by Tarnsman

Some new alliances were opened up and new conflicts too, but bottom line--
These massive multi season epic series, need to end with a full episode season arc, not this half the number of episode "lets close off all the threads of the last 7 years in half the time" final seasons.


We'd all loved more episodes this season, but it's somewhat offset by the length of the episodes.The last four each last like 80 minutes each. Thats twice the length of a normal TV show episode, close to a full movie (back when movies used to be 80-90 minutes long, not 200+ minutes biggrin )

They have spent 7 seasons moving the pieces, setting up the premise, resolving some of the bigger outstanding issues and the last 3 can focus on the final showdown. And how to turn it upside down to what we'll expect.
Because this is Game of Thrones, and getting what you see ain't part of the show biggrin

I can't wait for the final 3 episodes.

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The reason they never really fleshed out the Night King's character was obvious once one realized he had a Weather Dominator.

Yes, now we know what Cobra Commander looked like under that mask, and why we never heard the Night King speak.



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I like that they didn't flesh out and dive deep into the night King and his motivations.

There is no reason to explain every if what and buts of someones motivations. You see it as the "heroes" see it, they don't know why he does it and neither do we.

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No spoiler tag needed for this one, as everyone knows there's a big battle.

We know that when the Army of the Dead is moving in a big mass they tend to miss solitary living people that are out of sight - that's how Sam survived the Fist of the First Men, by cowering at the bottom of a standing stone as they marched past, and waiting until they were gone before getting back up.

You have to know that in the morning there's going to be a few stragglers walking up a bit glassy eyed with tales of how they were buried under a pile of dead people or were knocked out Bilbo Baggins style (or Imp style, if one likes) during the battle and ignored by the dead.

A few things in the battle that I liked and made sense:



The Unsullied held the ranks of their formations and weren't shaken even under the heaviest onslaught, maintaining discipline the whole time.

Considering their whole purpose and training was to defeat the Dothraki, it makes sense that a mass charge against them would generally fail.

When given the order to retreat, it meant an ordinary withdrawl in good order, not a rout like everyone else.

This explains to the fire trench behind them. Nobody thought they'd stand their ground that long; so when the regular folks all ran into the castle (and it was time to light it) they were on the wrong side of the final protective line before the wall itself.

Greyworm gets a serious ding for closing the ditch with Unsullied on the other side yet. He should have given them the order to retreat through it.

Still, even at the end of the battle with the Army of the Dead defeated, there were still Unsullied out there in the middle of the horde thrusting away behind their shield walls.



Speaking of Sam, right about now anyone who starts popping wise about how he doesn't belong in a battle should be immediately corrected. #%&*$#, how many certain death situations does he have to actively survive in order to get some respect? Between defending Castle Black and now the Battle of the Long Night, one would think he's earned his due.



Did Gilly and little Sam survive the crypt? I don't remember seeing them at the end.



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Had Winterfell had the services of Gerard Butler and his 300 Spartans the battle would have been easily won in no time. biggrin


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I’ve come to the conclusion that Tyrion has become so hopelessly naive that he’s no longer a competent Hand.

What he told Cersei at the end of the episode would be the equivalent of the UN politely asking Kim Jong Un to step down from power in North Korea for the good of his people! Lmao.

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My guess is that Tyrion deep down knows he's wrong but for the first time in his life, he actually believes in someone and he's trying to hold on to that feeling. That's pretty powerful when you think about it.

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I agree with JaysonMac. I think the Spider will have a big part to play VERY soon and I expect that Dany and her dragon will either be killed or go back across the narrow sea. I also expect the Hound and Arya are going to stir some serious crap. I think she will make it out alive but I think that he is going down.......with luck in a blaze a glory.


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My prediction is that Jamie will be the one to kill Cersei.

Why else have him dump his 6”3 new girlfriend and ride all the way back to King’s Landing?


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that's exactly what I told my wife last night when he left to go back. Use his cover to get close to her, but then kill her because she promised herself to the other dude.


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Haven't seen the last episode, but can't resist some speculations anyway smile

I think Tyrion still tries to safe his sister, family and all - I wouldn't be surprised if he even died in the process of trying to protect here one way or the other. Could even be Ser Bronn who does the deed, and would be fitting, him saving Tyrion at the Erie and in the end taking it as well.
Whatever the plot of the Spider might be, it will get him killed - Lady Melisandre's prophecy was very clear about them both dying in Westeros, and I think it is safe to assume that it's not going to be a natural death for him. Maybe by the new Lord of the Whisperers or his minions?!
Arya - somehow I wouldn't be surprised if she got a deadly visitor - one does not simply abandon the service of the many-faced god (even so she got apparently a favorable farewell from Jaqen H'ghar). She received the training and became a way-to-big powerhouse (ab-)using her skills, she needs to be stopped.
The Hound? Clegane bowl for sure - I expect him to win and survive it, but after that he also becomes obsolete as a character.
Tormund dying in a wildling style attempt to "steal" Brienne?! Probably not, though it might by a special kind of twisted.
Daenerys vs Aegon/Jon? No idea, but favoring Jon... Hard to see a long-term coexistence after Cersei is defeated, not to mention Sansa stirring the northern (+Vale?) kettle accordingly.
Oh, and yes, Jaime to ultimately kill Cersei, could it be any other way?!?! Except for it being the obvious solution...

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I have a feeling the Hound is taking down the Mountain and Arya is taking down Cersei after she takes Jaime's face.

Daenarys is definitely losing her composure especially after this episode.

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I'm sure you guys have read about the hilarious goof from last night's episode?

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Having seen some of it now, as we talked earlier about military plunders - why not scout with the dragons from high up and burn them (especially Eurons fleet) in the night?!?! Burn the gates and some of the Scorpions in the night and similar such stuff... They would hardly be able to man and turn the scorpions in time to react to sweeping attacks before the dragon would vanish in the dark of night again (should probably be moonless/clouded nights)...
I am kind of glad that Tormund seems to sticks to the initial plan and that they don't draw him south with similar arguments as for the BoB.
And shall it now be Grey Worm vs. the Mountain, like Oberyn with the spear? Naaah, it's going to be Clegane Bowl, it must be!

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I love the show overall but quite honestly the boneheaded and illogical military tactics we've been shown in season 8 so far have been frustrating to watch.

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History is full of boneheaded military moves, from the best of generals.
I'm not going to hang up about this.

I get a huge laugh out of the wannabe-armchair "generals" who whine about the tactics.

Exactly correct amount of soliders survived to carry the plot forward. Not one more or less.
It's not like they randomly roleplayed out the battle and wrote the script after that. :P

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Without the books to guide the shows plus condensed 6 episode season is leading to a pretty piss poor Season 8. Everything is so rushed and so poorly set up.

Either way, if I have to guess...

Kings landing is toast
This will be the downfall of Dany
Arya and Hound goes after Mountain...maybe Hound saves Arya but dies...
Jaime is the little brother that kills Cersei...
Tyrion, may actually try to save Dany and pays for it


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Jaime kills Cersei.

There is a kind of a pleasant tone and a little icon flashes on the lower right of the screen.

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I just couldn’t believe the fleet sailed to King’s Landing all fat dumb & happy, right into Euron’s ambush. What was she doing with the dragons the whole time? Flying directly overhead to keep spirits up? Jon is the only other one who can ride a dragon, plus I presume he’d notice certain signs of military activity that Dany might not, so they both should have been out scouting. She knew about the scorpions from when the dragon was hit earlier, and would still have been able to see plenty while staying out of range.

My thought is that she should have occupied Dragonstone and started picking away at Cersei’s forces. The Houses that are on her side can’t have left many troops behind, fly dragons there to burn castles, crops, any industries, etc. Go make Casterly Rock look like Harrenhal. Attack wagon trains and ships bringing supplies. STEAL ships bringing supplies.

I’m a little surprised Missandei didn’t jump as a big F YOU to Cersei, instead of letting The Mountain behead her.


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Originally Posted by NH2112
I’m a little surprised Missandei didn’t jump as a big F YOU to Cersei, instead of letting The Mountain behead her.


.... and grab Cersei on her way down


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I've given up trying to make sense of the stupid military tactics on this show. I'll just go with the flow and leave my brain at the front door when I watch the final 2 episodes.


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I think that the major difference in this last while has been that the TV show passed the books quite a while back and now the producers are doing the writing and not GRRM.


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Originally Posted by NH2112
I just couldn’t believe the fleet sailed to King’s Landing all fat dumb & happy, right into Euron’s ambush. What was she doing with the dragons the whole time? Flying directly overhead to keep spirits up? Jon is the only other one who can ride a dragon, plus I presume he’d notice certain signs of military activity that Dany might not, so they both should have been out scouting. She knew about the scorpions from when the dragon was hit earlier, and would still have been able to see plenty while staying out of range.

My thought is that she should have occupied Dragonstone and started picking away at Cersei’s forces. The Houses that are on her side can’t have left many troops behind, fly dragons there to burn castles, crops, any industries, etc. Go make Casterly Rock look like Harrenhal. Attack wagon trains and ships bringing supplies. STEAL ships bringing supplies.

I’m a little surprised Missandei didn’t jump as a big F YOU to Cersei, instead of letting The Mountain behead her.


Yeah, the 2 dragons aloft yet they don't see all the ships coming right for them. And you're right, they already got butchered the last time in, why were they so care free coming into the same port this time.

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I've given up trying to make sense of the stupid military tactics on this show. I'll just go with the flow and leave my brain at the front door when I watch the final 2 episodes.


The long night battle sequence makes sense as they weren't fighting against a normal medieval army. The Dothraki
had to bait the wights into fighting as they were just standing there waiting. It was only when they were close to defeat when the night king came out and that was their only chance to win the war.

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Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog
+1 Don'tGiveAShit

History is full of boneheaded military moves, from the best of generals.
I'm not going to hang up about this.

I get a huge laugh out of the wannabe-armchair "generals" who whine about the tactics.

Exactly correct amount of soliders survived to carry the plot forward. Not one more or less.
It's not like they randomly roleplayed out the battle and wrote the script after that. :P



While true that folks shouldn't get too bent out of shape over tactics in a fantasy world, it was still pretty frustrating that apparently no medieval battle tactics expert was consulted on this :/
Cavalry charge as a first move into an unseen enemy of unknown numbers and makeup? Bleah smile I think it was done for the (admittedly cool) visual mechanic of flaming swords being extinguished.

Artillery at the front? Artillery at the back. You want to use it for as long as possible. Probably best not to send your cavalry in frst to lower their use even more :/

All the infantry in front of the trench? With the "plan" to all move across the tiny bridge when the moment seemed right? How were they expecting to do that while under zombie rage attack? :/

Everyone stares at each other when the trench is eventually lit. Why archers not frantically picking off as many as possible from the walls? :/

The great plan of having Bran in the Godswood, the most obvious trap in the world that a 8000 year old death warlock has never seen before. :/

Night King's main power is to raise the dead. Lets put our most vulnerable people in the crypt :/


Armchair general stuff for sure, but really, a day with Total War would have made a better plan.


Originally Posted by DaBBQ
The long night battle sequence makes sense as they weren't fighting against a normal medieval army. The Dothraki
had to bait the wights into fighting as they were just standing there waiting. It was only when they were close to defeat when the night king came out and that was their only chance to win the war.


Yeah I'm not going to get too bent out of shape over it all. I'll just roll my eyes and roll with the story. After all what choice is there biggrin

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Agree 100% with your analysis DM.


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My vision of Clegane Bowl:
The Mountain will be revealed to be a wight (Benjen Stark like) - might happen in a fight with Grey Worm dealing supposed to be deadly blows that the Mountain shrugs off (and ultimately kills the attacker). Hound to win the day, but how? Well why, kill it with fire , of course! It's the foundation of their whole story - the Hound overcoming his fear for fire to defeat his tormentor.
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Originally Posted by NH2112
I just couldn’t believe the fleet sailed to King’s Landing all fat dumb & happy, right into Euron’s ambush. What was she doing with the dragons the whole time? Flying directly overhead to keep spirits up? Jon is the only other one who can ride a dragon, plus I presume he’d notice certain signs of military activity that Dany might not, so they both should have been out scouting. She knew about the scorpions from when the dragon was hit earlier, and would still have been able to see plenty while staying out of range.

My thought is that she should have occupied Dragonstone and started picking away at Cersei’s forces. The Houses that are on her side can’t have left many troops behind, fly dragons there to burn castles, crops, any industries, etc. Go make Casterly Rock look like Harrenhal. Attack wagon trains and ships bringing supplies. STEAL ships bringing supplies.

I’m a little surprised Missandei didn’t jump as a big F YOU to Cersei, instead of letting The Mountain behead her.


Except it wasn't King's Landing, it was Dragonstone, quite a ways away, and Dany had zero fear of ships - she didn't think they would improve and mount the Scorpions on ships. And yeah, she just circled low looking at the pretty ships, because reasons.

Bonus for Euron firing in volley against an aerial target, and then using them for ship-to-ship fighting. We'll leave off the ultimate Greek Fire, Wildfire, and it's absence in common warfare, especially on ships, for another time.

As to recon, well, this is an alien concept in GoT. The only times scouting parties have been used was when they showed the Night's Watch going beyond The Wall, running patrols. Even during the War of the Five Kings they didn't send scouts out to find the enemy, worrying about releasing a prisoner to send a message because he could tell the number of men they had and where they were. These are people who have the best light horse unit in the world but can't dedicate a few to keep tabs on a slow moving hoard of undead, preferring to wait around and then go into a flurry of activity when they arrive in their own due time, with most of the troops just out there freezing and waiting. Thankfully the undead had the courtesy to hold up until the defenders were ready before beginning their assault.

This is right up there with totally ignoring defense in depth, cleared zones of fire, and obstacles in Walking Dead. They're blind spots necessary for plot points.

But it all hacks up real good, so no complaints on my end. If I can suspend disbelief for wizards, dragons, IFR capable supersonic and/or teleporting ravens, zombies, flat roofed arctic buildings, climate unique to one continent on the same latitude as another, magic steel, etc., I can just roll with the dumb actions of the normal characters.


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#4473515 - 05/09/19 02:56 PM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! -- SOME SPOILERS [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart


If I can suspend disbelief for wizards, dragons, IFR capable supersonic and/or teleporting ravens, zombies, flat roofed arctic buildings, climate unique to one continent on the same latitude as another, magic steel, etc., I can just roll with the dumb actions of the normal characters.



Very well said! I think if we just come to terms with this simple fact we will save ourselves a lot of stress and frustration. smile


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While not wanting to go too much into tactics that should have been used, all Dany had to do was circle around the ships and get behind them. All of the arrows were pointed forward! She could have burned every ship before they could have turned around.
I'm pretty convinced, now, that Jamie is going to kill Cierci....and then himself. I see him as more of a tragic character, now, then an evil one. While Cierci revels in the mayhem and death that she causes, Jamie seems to hate himself, a bit, over it. He leaves, unwillingly, saying, "I'm hateful!" He is caught in his sisters clutches, and the only way to free himself is for them both to die.


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Agree 100% with your post Pooch.


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The barbs on the scorpion arrow heads are facing the wrong way.


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The barbs on the scorpion arrows are pointing the wrong way to actually be barbs.


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My wife and I both thought tonight was the last episode. We about exploded thinking they left the show ending like that. Fully expected the internet to crash.


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Interesting to see that Danaerys has gone down the Dune “jihad” route.

There will be consequences for sure in the final episode.


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Mad Queen Dany !!

Sorry that the Hound got killed but at least he took the zombie brother down.
Arya may have a part to play yet.

Jamie and Cersei together at the end was fitting ...if not quite satisfying


GRRW has said publicly that the show and the books arrive at the basically the same end point and that it will be "bittersweet". I don't think Dany will ever be queen of the seven kingdoms.


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Originally Posted by No105_Archie
I don't think Dany will ever be queen of the seven kingdoms.



Nope. I am 99% certain that what she did will have very negative consequences for her. She will not be in power for long.


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The question is has she lost it and decided to rule through fear, or is she setting the stage for Jon to earn the love of the south, who doesn’t know him and love him like the north.
Has she set him up to have to kill her or will she go back overseas? Her main point is to end tyrants, but she isn’t a good long term ruler. She’s done her thing now, but if she stays she’d be the biggest tyrant yet. IMO she prefers it where she came from now that she’s here and will go back to what’s his name she left there.
Think she’s got Jon’s baby in the works?


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Those are some good questions RK. We'll find out next week what happens!


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We better! I hope it’s longer.


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Well, after watching this episode, I'm bummed. Probably mostly because I was pulling for Daenrys all these years, and then she disappointed me. Not that I didn't see it coming in the last few episodes. I welcomed the change in plot. Just that her down fall was sad. I felt bad for the Spider too. And Tyrion. And Jon...well everyone, especially the people of Kings Landing. But I thought it was a good episode overall. Again, statistically speaking, the next to last episode seems to always be the best of the season.

I thought Jaime and Cersei were fitting and correct. I would have preferred to see the Hound just knock the Mountain over the edge and that's it. Euron ended up the way I figured he would, in his arrogant way--so that was good. Turned out he was wrong anyway after all

How will it end? I think Jon will be forced to kill Daenrys. But the end could happen in many ways...

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Will she attack Jon with dragon fire, and he stands up with burning sword in hand killing Dany (and Drogon)? Azor Ahai reborn!

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Or the dragon could refuse to attack him, but I doubt it will come to that. I think it will die or return overseas with her...or be released to go off to search for others.
They may decide they have to kill it to deal with her, I suppose. Tyrion may have to rechain it.


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The dragon who got it in the neck in the last episode and fell in the sea isn’t dead.

Jon vs Daenerys duelling dragons finale.

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Who is say Danys didn't have a plan?

Yes she wiped out King's Landing - the central throne for the Seven Kingdoms, the sheer symbol of nobility and feudalism (ie slavery) on the continent.
THis is what happens to those who oppose the freedom of all people.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Just a thought biggrin

This is not your normal fantasy, after all. Anything is on the table.

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I rather liked this episode, very apocalyptic.
Everything has turned to **** and nothing planned turned out the way they thought. Except maybe Sandor's. Daenerys's vision from several seasons ago seems to have come to pass. I don't know why she rained hell onto civilians and not go straight for the keep, but hey-ho. Mad is mad.


Just stumbled onto this. Very funny, especially Varys IMO smile

Will help to bring a smile to those who are currently disappointed anyway...


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I'm sure a lot of the Danaerys fan boys are feeling butthurt knowing that their queen turned out to be a psychotic with a messiah complex.


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Still a good chance she’s pulling a “Dark Knight” move. A very severe one.


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Alexa thinks that Sansa will be the next queen and Arya will be her Hand.

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Originally Posted by bones
Alexa thinks that Sansa will be the next queen and Arya will be he Hand.

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I can see that happening!


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Nah. Arya is going to do a Frodo and disappear over the western sea.


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Arya may go off the Faceless Man and take over that operation, then keep tabs on everyone. Lots of people need killin’ out there.
Sansa, queen of the north, reunited with Tyrion, Brienne her knight....Jon sits sadly on the Iron Throne with Sam as his Hand.
Wildlings take over The Watch, in the real north, but without the usual conditions. Who knows what else could be going on up there?


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Lots of fascinating speculation going on here. smile

I assume this series finale episode will be at least 90 minutes.


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Originally Posted by Raw Kryptonite
Arya may go off the Faceless Man and take over that operation, then keep tabs on everyone. Lots of people need killin’ out there.
Sansa, queen of the north, reunited with Tyrion, Brienne her knight....Jon sits sadly on the Iron Throne with Sam as his Hand.
Wildlings take over The Watch, in the real north, but without the usual conditions. Who knows what else could be going on up there?

I would have thought Sam becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. But then again, the question is whether there is still need for the Watch, with no enemies left. Instead, the Watch will be dissolved, the surviving members pardoned and freed from their vows, and Sam can marry Gilly and be happy ever after. Sam as Hand to Jon, I could see that, yepp. But then again, we had the farewell already, so I'm not sure we will see Sam in the final episode.
I already speculated earlier that the Faceless Man might still come for Arya, but I doubt it...
Apart from the obvious open main characters, I am also interested how Ser Bronn's story ends - earlier speculated that he might still kill Tyrion, but now with the benefactor of such a deed gone, I don't see why he would do so...
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Lots of fascinating speculation going on here. smile

I assume this series finale episode will be at least 90 minutes.

80mins, it is known!

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Good observations WhoCares. You are absolutely right that with both Cersei and Jamie dead there is zero reason for Bronn to kill Tyrion.


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Good observations WhoCares. You are absolutely right that with both Cersei and Jamie dead there is zero reason for Bronn to kill Tyrion.


He could do it at the Lannister funeral. Then Peter Dinklage can reprise his roles from "Death at a Funeral."

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Pretty much sums up my feelings too for this disaster of a season of GOT.

Everything was going oh so well, then...., what the hell has happened?

So, so disappointed on just about everything in this last season, far too much to write down tbh, but definitely a "sticks out like a sore thumb" decline in well, everything.

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Does anyone know why the final season only had 6 episodes? I have enjoyed the season but admit that it has felt a bit rushed.


The first 6 seasons of GOT each had 10 episodes. Then season 7 was cut down to 7 and then season 8 down to 6. I'm thinking this was done more for financial reasons and not creative reasons.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Does anyone know why the final season only had 6 episodes? I have enjoyed the season but admit that it has felt a bit rushed.


The first 6 seasons of GOT each had 10 episodes. Then season 7 was cut down to 7 and then season 8 down to 6. I'm thinking this was done more for financial reasons and not creative reasons.


No idea, it's a mystery to me too. There's probably some BS reason, but really, GoT could have easily lasted 9 full seasons. Season 8 for the Night King, season 9 for the Iron Throne. It's not like people would suddenly get GoT fatigue, it seems like a cash cow to me. There's so much to tie up in 6 episodes (albeit longer episodes).

I know not everything will be tied up - as Dr Manhattan says, "nothing ever ends" smile


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The first 6 seasons of GOT each had 10 episodes. Then season 7 was cut down to 7 and then season 8 down to 6. I'm thinking this was done more for financial reasons and not creative reasons.


I thinks that's pretty simple ........less money spent ...more money made


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and in other news ..................................I read an article about a bunch of young parents who had named their children Daenerys ...or worse ,Khaleesi; and who are now VERY UPSET that she has turned out to be a "bad person" .


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LOL Archie.


Can anyone think of another tv series where a major character was a protagonist for several seasons and then turned out to be the opposite in the last season of the show?


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer

The first 6 seasons of GOT each had 10 episodes. Then season 7 was cut down to 7 and then season 8 down to 6. I'm thinking this was done more for financial reasons and not creative reasons.


Season 8 has 6 episodes, with an average run time of 80 minutes, vs 60 minutes for earlier seasons. That equals to 8 episodes at least. So not that shorter than previous seasons.

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Honestly I hated the last episode.
And I hated it not because Danaerys turned "bad" or maniac - this was an interesting "turn of events" to say the least - but because of how the battles around King's Landing folded out in the latest episode.
Let's see:
- A small flotilla of 6 to 7 ships armed with scorpions managed to kill a dragon and forced the remaining dragon to retreat (even after this one tried to press on the attack).
- But then a huge city with a huge number of towers with apparently all of them or at least the majority of them armed with scorpions plus a huge fleet also armed with scorpions and none of this massive "anti-dragon resources" managed a single hit on the remaining dragon! rolleyes banghead
- I also didn't see a single attacker (man) being killed by the defenders despite the battles with very big numbers on the narrow streets of King's Landing. Actually the only attacker (man) that I saw being killed during the battle was one rapping a woman which was then killed by Jon.
- Finally how did Danaerys managed to retain a huge army to attack King's Landing (apparently bigger than the defending army) when the vast majority of her army (combined with the Northern armies) was simply destroyed by the undead on the previous battle??

IMO, by far the worse and "stupidest" battle of this series which is a shame since basically all the other battles were great (even the battle against the undead was IMO a million times better although there were others much better IMO).

Also IMO and with all this, this latest season is becoming a disappointment in what was otherwise an excellent series (probably the best of this century, if we exclude this latest season that is).

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It's very hard to disagree with your post ricnunes. You make a very convincing argument!


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
LOL Archie.


Can anyone think of another tv series where a major character was a protagonist for several seasons and then turned out to be the opposite in the last season of the show?


Not tv, but I still think this is an extreme “Dark Knight” type of thing. She’s making a major statement about tyrants by becoming the worst, to set Jon up to be the best polar opposite.
She’ll either die in her crusade to end tyrants, or go back overseas where she’s loved.
Doesn’t mean it couldn’t have been done differently, or better, but I suspect she’s trying to break a cycle here.
Gotta let a story be told! We’ll find out in a few days.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
LOL Archie.


Can anyone think of another tv series where a major character was a protagonist for several seasons and then turned out to be the opposite in the last season of the show?


Westworld, season 1. So not really across seasons, but within one season. I never saw it coming either, there are a few "holy crapola" moments in that. I won't post spoilers for it though smile

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
It's very hard to disagree with your post ricnunes. You make a very convincing argument!


Thanks Panzer.
This is important since and to be honest I was starting to believe that I was seeing "weird things" or that I needed eyeglass prescription, all of this when watching that last episode. biggrin

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Does anyone know why the final season only had 6 episodes? I have enjoyed the season but admit that it has felt a bit rushed.


The first 6 seasons of GOT each had 10 episodes. Then season 7 was cut down to 7 and then season 8 down to 6. I'm thinking this was done more for financial reasons and not creative reasons.


I thought it was that they got ahead of the source material, first seasons they had the books to write scripts from but the lasts seasons they were on their own using just a general outline
I think there are still two books of the series to come out.

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
LOL Archie.


Can anyone think of another tv series where a major character was a protagonist for several seasons and then turned out to be the opposite in the last season of the show?


Not tv, but I still think this is an extreme “Dark Knight” type of thing. She’s making a major statement about tyrants by becoming the worst, to set Jon up to be the best polar opposite.
She’ll either die in her crusade to end tyrants, or go back overseas where she’s loved.
Doesn’t mean it couldn’t have been done differently, or better, but I suspect she’s trying to break a cycle here.
Gotta let a story be told! We’ll find out in a few days.



Thats some crazy theory right there. Either writers botched her story arc completely or you are saying they are so good that they put all this thinking behind how to put layers upon layers behind her transformation.

With one episode left, I am going to go with Writers botched her going cray cray and rushed it.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Does anyone know why the final season only had 6 episodes? I have enjoyed the season but admit that it has felt a bit rushed.


The first 6 seasons of GOT each had 10 episodes. Then season 7 was cut down to 7 and then season 8 down to 6. I'm thinking this was done more for financial reasons and not creative reasons.


I thought it was that they got ahead of the source material, first seasons they had the books to write scripts from but the lasts seasons they were on their own using just a general outline
I think there are still two books of the series to come out.


To be honest I think at this point we need a mix of the show and the books to be sort of good. I am starting to feel like the book is just going no where since he introduced a lot of plot lines that are going nowhere too.

Dance of Dtagons was the worst of the books so far with the fake Targaryen floating down the river


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Wasting time this morning watching a movie Pompeii and saw Kit Harrington..Wouldn't pay him any attention before GOT


Pompeii was a big budget box office disaster.


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Well I was somewhat underwhelmed by season 8.


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Eh, it was ok. Redeemed with the very last scene a bit, but otherwise kind of dull. After such slow progress over the years, it’s odd to cram what would’ve been 3 seasons worth of events into one season. They should’ve at least given half again the number of shows this season, while delivering the longer running time. I guess the characters endings were about as fitting as could be after last week.
Whatever. Kind if glad it’s over.


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Bleeech! If they had ended the season with the Long Night episode, it would have been a better ending.

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Originally Posted by Spidey
What a horrible end to a good series


The wife is really mad at me and said "I'm going upstairs, you stay down here and do something else" when I laughed and said it was perfect.

Everyone won, or at least broke even.

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#4474794 - 05/20/19 04:15 AM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! -- SOME SPOILERS [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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So Drogon is taking Danaery’s body where and to do what? Bury it? Dump it in the ocean? A brief comment is made later that Drogon was last seen heading east. And??

And where did that huge unsullied army come from? Didn’t at least half her army die fighting the White Walker army?

And why did Drogon destroy the iron throne? Did it actually know what it was? If yes, that implies human intelligence and emotions.

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Originally Posted by JimK
Never watched any of it. Thanks.

Gave up after SGU canceled.


What does Stargate Atlantis have to do with GOT?


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
So Drogon is taking Danaery’s body where and to do what? Bury it? Dump it in the ocean? A brief comment is made later that Drogon was last seen heading east. And??


Dragons hate the cold. He picked her up and flew east where it's warm. It's a long flight and he needed a snack along the way. wink

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And why did Drogon destroy the iron throne? Did it actually know what it was? If yes, that implies human intelligence and emotions.


He was pissed that his master was dead and was just venting..the walls all crumbled nicely, but that damned metal thing didn't immediately fall apart, so a little more effort was needed. And very symbolic in a story telling way. It didn't roast Jon because he's a Targarian...so you can suspend disbelief that a flying, fire breathing dragon can perform DNA tests by scent, but not that?

But the theory is that dragons are pretty smart - maybe dolphin smart.

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And where did that huge unsullied army come from? Didn’t at least half her army die fighting the White Walker army?


The Unsullied didn't bother me - they held their own and that wasn't that many dudes - maybe 1,500 out of 8,000. I'm more shocked that there were any Dothraki hanging around.


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Originally Posted by Dart
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So Drogon is taking Danaery’s body where and to do what? Bury it? Dump it in the ocean? A brief comment is made later that Drogon was last seen heading east. And??


Dragons hate the cold. He picked her up and flew east where it's warm. It's a long flight and he needed a snack along the way. wink

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And why did Drogon destroy the iron throne? Did it actually know what it was? If yes, that implies human intelligence and emotions.


He was pissed that his master was dead and was just venting..the walls all crumbled nicely, but that damned metal thing didn't immediately fall apart, so a little more effort was needed. And very symbolic in a story telling way. It didn't roast Jon because he's a Targarian...so you can suspend disbelief that a flying, fire breathing dragon can perform DNA tests by scent, but not that?

But the theory is that dragons are pretty smart - maybe dolphin smart.

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And where did that huge unsullied army come from? Didn’t at least half her army die fighting the White Walker army?


The Unsullied didn't bother me - they held their own and that wasn't that many dudes - maybe 1,500 out of 8,000. I'm more shocked that there were any Dothraki hanging around.

I'd guess Drogon takes here to Old Valyria. What I don't understand is, why is Bran going after him. What does he expect to do/achieve, once he finds him?!?! Might consider trying to warg into him, but well… Could even speculate that he warged into him to safe Jon and melted the throne, but that's a veeeeery far-fetched shot...
Unsullied, most she ever had was 8000 + trainees. Might have lost ~1000 in here adventures in slavers bay. After the long night Grey Worm reported that about half of them were left, so maybe 3-4000.
The Dothraki must have been a few hundred strong garrison of Dragonstone while the rest marched north. Not that I would seriously consider Dothraki to be the right choice to men the walls of a castle, but well, can't have been the ones that went north, no?!?! Question is where they are going now - Ser Davos should quickly build a new fleet to carry them back to the gras sea, before they get funny ideas...

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Does anyone find it hilariously absurd that Bronn ended up being the master of coin for Bran?


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A poor end to a poor season for a great series IMO.

Too many gaping holes for me. Send Jon to the NIght's Watch ?. Why; the wall is breached, the night king is dead. Plus it's supposed to be WINTER ( it was snowing in Kin's Landing ) and the wildlings fled south so that they could survive and yet the last scenes show Jon leading them ( with children ) north ??

Where did Bran warg in the long night battle and why ??

Brienne of Tarth was sworn to Sansa so why is she in the south apparently working for Bran.

How did Sam get to be Grand maester when he never even finished half his training at the citadel...........yes he's a good man and did some GREAT deeds but he is untrained.

This could have/ would have been explained in a few more episodes and with better writing. The final meeting of the lords to chose the knig could have been a full episode FFS.

The overall ending for the main characters was fitting but overall there were too many unanswered questions for me.


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Originally Posted by No105_Archie
A poor end to a poor season for a great series IMO.






The single greatest flaw of the season is that 6 episodes (even some at 80 minutes) was simply NOT enough to cover everything adequately for all the characters and plot lines. The final season should have been 10 episodes with the series finale being 2 hours.

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Does anyone find it hilariously absurd that Bronn ended up being the master of coin for Bran?



I did. And I thought it hilarious that the first thing on his mind really was to rebuild the brothels. Good thing Brienne was the counter-point voice of logic to that haha.

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Originally Posted by bones
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Does anyone find it hilariously absurd that Bronn ended up being the master of coin for Bran?



I did. And I thought it hilarious that the first thing on his mind really was to rebuild the brothels. Good thing Brienne was the counter-point voice of logic to that haha.

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It can be argued though that brothels are a great source of revenue! They pay for themselves rather quickly. wink


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Originally Posted by bones



LOL! You've got to be kidding me. This can't be coincidence. Can it?


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They never addressed why Bran was zoned out during the war with the dead. You could assume he was monitoring what was going on, but they could’ve done more with it.
Arya’s ending seemed like spin off material.
IMO Jon is going to be the king of the true north. Supposedly the threat is passed now and they’re used to living in Winter. It would’ve been nice to learn more about what’s in the extreme north. Could be a lot of weirdness up there. Also, why a Nights Watch at all? Or a wall for that matter? They still use the gate? They should be on good terms with the wildlings now.
Lots of questions.


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Originally Posted by Raw Kryptonite

Lots of questions.



And most likely will never be answered since all of the plans so far for spin-off shows are prequels. I guess only time will tell.


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Jon is only escorting the wildlings north, he'll return to the wall after that.

Night Watch is still needed to guard against the beats and monsters of the north, like giants etc. They'll likely pop back up again smile

It is also a dumping ground for bastards and criminals, as Tyrion says. And it's amusing that a Targaryan is at the Wall again, Jon's great grand-uncle Aemon was there too at the beginning of the show (Master Aemon). So it's kind of a circle closing.

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by bones



LOL! You've got to be kidding me. This can't be coincidence. Can it?


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While it's up for debate, I'm thinking Jon is now The King Beyond The Wall. What are they going to do - send men after him? He's kind of over the whole Night's Watch thing, and there is a whole sovereign kingdom between him and the Slag Throne.

I love the institutional inertia shown at Castle Black - gotta raise and lower that gate even though there's a huge mile wide hole in The Wall not far to the east. I guess it's to keep the dire wolves out, but the main reason for it has been destroyed.

Remember, please, that the Wildlings wanted to go South not because of the Winter, but the White Walkers. It's rather like complaining about a blizzard in Minnesota to the Inuit of Alaska....they are not impressed.

Weather in GoT is closely tied to what is needed for the plot or story at the moment.

It can dump snow so deep horses can't make it from south of the Last Hearth to Winterfell almost overnight for Stannis, but clear itself off for a quick trip to The Wall for Jon. I also like that while it is cold and snows, none of the rivers or streams seem to ice over. This explains the complete lack of ice skates in Westeros.


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#4474896 - 05/20/19 11:18 PM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! -- SOME SPOILERS [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Yeah, Jon’s done with the lot of it and going to the place he can have a life. The Watch is long behind him now. Anything scary up north will be dealt with by those up north...and him. With the wildlings, he’s respected because he earned it, not by birth, and they’d die for him. You can’t just walk away from that. I think he’ll keep them unified and they’ll be better for it. There’s nothing for him south of the wall. Maybe he’ll find another wildling wifeling.






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#4474922 - 05/21/19 10:37 AM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! -- SOME SPOILERS [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart
Weather in GoT is closely tied to what is needed for the plot or story at the moment.

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There is a really great interview from many years ago where the creator of the show "Babylon 5" was asked by a fan how fast the Minbari "Whitestar" ships could travel.

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Winter's gone.
When they walk out of the tunnel you see a shot with a little green sapling peeking out of the snow.
I doubt that Jon will be King beyond the wall - there is no more need for that role. But he certainly will hold a special position because he saved their lifes. While it looks like he's wearing the black, the way he looks back I also think that he will stay north and not join the ranks of the watch again. Maybe he can assume an ambassador role screwy
Sam is in an iffy position as well, still man of the watch, (unfinished grand-)maester, and what about his unborn child - shall it be b4stard-born? Anyway the question why he took part in the meeting of the lords - must have been already as grand-maester, as he is not allowed to hold lands and titles as man of the watch.
Will the Iron Islands be part of the North or the 6 kingdoms - in which case one would wonder to which kingdom they would belong - or it becomes 7 kingdoms again?!?!


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Well, IMO the ending is well... ...bah

The "good side" was that it somehow fixed or "attempted to fix" the bull crap that was episode 5 was (for the reasons that I mentioned in my last post here in this thread). What I mean is that episode 6 was better than 5 (but IMO it's not that hard, really).

The "bad" or worse was IMO the Jon's ending. Yes, I understand the arrangement of Jon being sent to the Night's Watch although I also find it very stupid since what's the need for that?? As other's have said:
- The wall is now broken with a massive whole in it so any usefulness that it may or will have is now gone.
- The kingdoms are in good terms with the wildlings so what's the purpose of the Night's Watch (specially and again guarding a broken wall)?

Moreover the territory of the wall is now part of the new and independent kingdom of the North so I don't see why wouldn't the Queen of the North (Sansa) which was against sending Jon to the night's watch in the first place, pardon Jon and relieve him from his duties as a Night's Watchman??

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+1 ricnunes


It was a huge oversight by the showrunners to act as if the wall and the night watch were still necessary even though there were now zero threats in the north due to the destruction of the white walker army and the Wildlings now being on friendly terms with the Seven Kingdoms.


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Well now having seen the ending and only have watched part of last year and this year..I figure it would be good top start at the beginning I see HBO has the lot so instead of watching reruns I can spend time while it's too hot to work outside watching GOT from the start,,


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
+1 ricnunes


It was a huge oversight by the showrunners to act as if the wall and the night watch were still necessary even though there were now zero threats in the north due to the destruction of the white walker army and the Wildlings now being on friendly terms with the Seven Kingdoms.


As mentioned before, the Night’s Watch was as much a place to send criminals, misfits, and undesirables so they’re someone else’s problem as it was a military force. Are the Thenns all dead? The Bay of Ice and Bay of Seals are both good places for raiders or slavers to come ashore, Night’s Watch patrols in the Gifts would be helpful to find any.


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Originally Posted by ricnunes
I don't see why wouldn't the Queen of the North (Sansa) which was against sending Jon to the night's watch in the first place, pardon Jon and relieve him from his duties as a Night's Watchman??


Good point and that's all kinds of weird isn't it? And WHY do they all just agree to let her secede like that?
"Oh sure, whatever..."

I can see the Nights Watch as an alternative to prison, some kind of last option just short of banishment, but apparently you can get away with walking away from the vows anyway, so what's the point? Just call it part of the army and a regular outpost. Were they going to rebuild the wall? If so, why? It's not like there aren't ships, that wall isn't keeping much out that isn't a water-fearing zombie.


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That's just one example of the hurried feeling about the whole last episode. Very much of a, "Okay, we're done. Let's wrap this up and go home!" look. Wasn't up to the rest of the series, at all.
Still, it remains one of my favorite television events of all time. I was completely invested in the characters and story and so were millions of others. It kept you interested and wanting to come back.


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#4475191 - 05/23/19 03:04 PM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! -- SOME SPOILERS [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I've been reading some interesting stuff lately and I would like to know if anyone else here has read the same.


Apparently HBO offered the producers of GOT ample funding for the final two seasons of the show to have 10 episodes each but for whatever reason, the producers declined the offer and instead chose to make the last two seasons a lower number of episodes. While this was going on, the producers of GOT also got that new Star Wars deal signed with Disney so speculation is going around that the producers got itchy feet and wanted to wrap up GOT sooner rather than later so they could do the SW project and other projects as well.


If that turns out to be true then that was a pretty crappy thing for the producers to do to the fans.


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#4475196 - 05/23/19 03:15 PM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! -- SOME SPOILERS [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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They don't know their world boundaries. Arya is goisng to see what's west, jon is either

-escorting wildlings to the place they choose to settle and check it's safe now, then come back to night watch. It's, of course, expected to be safe now that night's king has been defeated but, who knows ? They don't know th northern boundary, there could be a night kings hive there ?

-on his way to explore north up to the pole and beyond (assuming their world is spheric)

-establshing himself as king of wildlings (i don't think he his, tbh.His red head pal seems qualified)



Bran let her secede because ´

-North always had a large autonomy, and gave much blood to defeat cersei

-he knows she wants to be queen, and doesn't want to marry her, so it's the easiest way.

-nobody wants a war against north,no one feels comfortable about imposing something to sansa, and everyone knows how stubborn she can be.


Sansa won't pardon jon because:

-she has no right to do so in the name of whole westeros, she cando it in north's name only.

-she's happy having her own kingdom and doesn't want any opposition to use jon as an excuse to decrown her.

#4476074 - 05/30/19 01:31 PM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! -- SOME SPOILERS [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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#4476086 - 05/30/19 03:10 PM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! -- SOME SPOILERS [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
+1 ricnunes


It was a huge oversight by the showrunners to act as if the wall and the night watch were still necessary even though there were now zero threats in the north due to the destruction of the white walker army and the Wildlings now being on friendly terms with the Seven Kingdoms.


Finally saw last episode last night. More thoughts later.

To your point, however, I don't think the white walkers ever die, as they walked thousands of years earlier and were defeated by dragon glass as well. I feel the writers did a poor job closing this loop and explaining this to the audience in the end--and my theory is they will return, yet again, when the King of the Night is reborn, and I think he is just as tied to the history of Westeros as Bran is, likely intertwined with the same source as Bran encountered when he went north. Like the seed from a sapling. One incarnation dead, another will be reborn.

The only question is, if this is so, why is Bran not aware of this, as he seemingly knows everything.

#4476093 - 05/30/19 04:24 PM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! -- SOME SPOILERS [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
LOL Archie.


Can anyone think of another tv series where a major character was a protagonist for several seasons and then turned out to be the opposite in the last season of the show?


Not picking on you in general, Panzer--just your posts stand out. :P Going backwards in this thread, since I finished series last night...

If you recall, Daenerys brother was sick, twisted, evil and nuts, and her father, the Mad King, was also ruthless. This turn of her personality has been in her blood since she was born, and way back in season one when the she met with the witch, there was arguably some foreshadowing of what was to become of her--the whole death for life thing, and that dream she had where she approached the throne in a later season, and was taken from it, never claiming title as queen.

So the framework has long been in place for her to fail in her quest--that she went mad, that's in her DNA.

She had to die. There is no way to atone for the deaths of millions beneath her torch. The crime must be paid for by her own blood. I'm glad finally, for once in Jon Snow's life, he grew decisive, stopped being a cuck, and manned up and did what he had to do. Otherwise, he never was intelligent enough to rule the seven kingdoms. That Sansa is the north--is debateable, too. Despite what Tyrion said.

#4476242 - 05/31/19 10:58 PM Re: Game of Thrones final season in 2 weeks! -- SOME SPOILERS [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Gah...what a colossal disappointment this season was. It was so bad that it actually devalued the other good seasons. Oh, well. On to Chernobyl.


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