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#4419331 - 05/06/18 10:47 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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How the Hawk would be in 2025 if these guys got their act into gear and put 110% effort into their release and not focused time and energy into other platforms or aircraft.



Be nice if that was recorded in DCS World.

My question is, are all run-ups performed up on the runway? Mine are performed in the parking lot with GA aircraft, or in a free space off the taxiway. R22\44's are performed as is where before the hover check.

What is interesting is the flaps are down on the aircraft at the very end. My instructor drilled into me that the the flaps are raised before entering the taxiway after flight in GA. Why is it that the flaps are down in the Hawk yet when placing static Hawk aircraft in DCS the flaps are up?

Perhaps VEAFAIL need to investigate and ask the same 'real pilots" the questions.

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#4419381 - 05/06/18 06:15 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted by Winfield
How the Hawk would be in 2025 if these guys got their act into gear and put 110% effort into their release and not focused time and energy into other platforms or aircraft.

Why put more time and resources in a module that probably has made 80-90% of the sales it will ever make? Even if the Hawk was fixed to your satisfaction tomorrow, I doubt that there would be significantly more sales of the module given the ED environment and VEAO history.


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#4419398 - 05/06/18 08:40 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice
Originally Posted by Winfield
How the Hawk would be in 2025 if these guys got their act into gear and put 110% effort into their release and not focused time and energy into other platforms or aircraft.

Why put more time and resources in a module that probably has made 80-90% of the sales it will ever make? Even if the Hawk was fixed to your satisfaction tomorrow, I doubt that there would be significantly more sales of the module given the ED environment and VEAO history.



Good point, however I get more satisfaction from running this module down in this thread than I do flying the POS.

#4419472 - 05/07/18 04:11 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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True. I was just pointing out one flaw of this ED pre-order 5 years in advance system. biggrin


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#4419520 - 05/07/18 10:44 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted by Winfield
Good point, however I get more satisfaction from running this module down in this thread than I do flying the POS.


Therapy. Good. I worry about some members here, it's like they've lost a loved one and just can't let them go wink

#4419529 - 05/08/18 12:04 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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We've all said DCS has great potential. 8 years after DCS A10C and it's a shadow if it's former self; a joke that can't even get its story right and can't even deal with customers in an adult manner yet still pretending to be adults themselves.

It's not losing a loved one and can't let go, it's watching a loved one flush their future down the drain. wink


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#4419534 - 05/08/18 12:49 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Nah, it's a loved one who stole your money and you're hoping they get their sh1t together and be able to pay you back.


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#4419554 - 05/08/18 10:58 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted by bisher
Therapy. Good. I worry about some members here, it's like they've lost a loved one and just can't let them go wink


How does this have anything to do with the module? If you are worried about your mental stability, this forum is probably not the best place to air them. Unfortunately I am not qualified to offer the help you seek

#4419601 - 05/08/18 03:23 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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I wouldn't even mind not getting my money back so long as they got their sh!t back together.... but then again, I've done my best to spend my money wisely on DCS, so I guess I'm less in the hole compared to others here.


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#4419694 - 05/08/18 11:33 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted by bisher
Originally Posted by Winfield
Good point, however I get more satisfaction from running this module down in this thread than I do flying the POS.


Therapy. Good. I worry about some members here, it's like they've lost a loved one and just can't let them go wink

I consider the sarcastic winky emoticon used in this way an insult in violation of the rules of conduct for this forum and have reported it as such.

#4419699 - 05/09/18 12:17 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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We really should have a [sarcasm] tag, shouldn't we? smile


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#4419732 - 05/09/18 05:01 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted by bisher
Originally Posted by Winfield
Good point, however I get more satisfaction from running this module down in this thread than I do flying the POS.


Therapy. Good. I worry about some members here, it's like they've lost a loved one and just can't let them go wink


Actually...that's almost exactly what's happened. We watched as ED killed what could have been the best combat flight simulation ever created with a stable platform, well matched adversaries in a feature complete era, dynamic campaign, medals, promotions, squadron kill board, competent AI...etc. Unfortunately, we have...and always have...this never ending unfinished steaming pile of sterile, lifeless, branching poo.

It's like we loaned a friend some money...and then watched them commit suicide. wink


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#4419737 - 05/09/18 06:19 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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It's still good just... so many mistakes. You could have a really good time playing DCS except for that thing, oh and that thing, and yeah that's broken but I'm sure they'll fix it soon. The good parts of DCS are quite well done but like an Apollo space mission 80% good and 20% goofs is a lethal experience.

#4419739 - 05/09/18 06:40 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Frederf]  
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Originally Posted by Frederf
I'm sure they'll fix it soon.


Absolutely.
But I'm not sure we share the definition of soon.

What's interesting with ED though is not when/what they will fix stuff but what will they break (like "world.searchobjects" currently in 2.5) of currently non-broken features.
And what 3rd party module features will they break (see atmospheric pressure and DCS Viggen)?

Why do I, as end-customer, have to beta-test och re-verify my missions every-friggin-time-they-frigging-update-soddery-dcs-world?

I could sell my own children just to get a hand on DCS source code and have the laugh of my life at the level of spaghetti-code there must be.

#4419744 - 05/09/18 08:34 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Frederf]  
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Originally Posted by Frederf
The good parts of DCS are quite well done but like an Apollo space mission 80% good and 20% goofs is a lethal experience.


I was thinking more like the Challenger, 20% good, 80% failure with the 'o-rings' being the graphics engine.

looks good for the 1st 20 seconds.....after that, it is on a path to disaster


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#4454081 - 12/20/18 07:39 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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And here we are......


[Linked Image]

Where did it all go wrong??

One has to stop and ask themselves "how did this happen to this bunch of dodgy developers"

Fear not gents. let me take you on a ride through time, a ride from start to finish for this shelved dcs mod project. I will give you an incite as to how it went so wrong for VEAO
who hide under a banner of.....

[Linked Image]

Obviously blame rather than self reflect.....

Pull up a stump as I take you back to the nacho's eatery in a small town far far away where it all began for VEAO\Blue Sky, You will see just how quickly those blue skies turned to black.

#4454130 - 12/21/18 12:44 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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2.5.4 Todays new DCS Patch = No more Hawk, it is unavailable to be flown anymore .... the door has closed



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#4454154 - 12/21/18 02:37 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Hey, at least we were able to fly the POS HAwk for a couple of years. Not so with the P40. That was just a complete VEAO RIP off. No, lube, no protection, just here is one in the rear for you. Thank you very much. That is ok, what goes around comes around. Those guys will get their just deserts in the future and they won't even see it coming. A bunch of crooks.

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