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#4470142 - 04/12/19 02:52 PM Re: Helge Ingstad: Warship collides with tanker in fjord [Re: Patrocles]  
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They reenacted the accident with another frigate, the same tanker and on about the same conditions in the same location.

It had no problems avoiding the tanker, and they also enacted several other scenarios, like the frigate having reduced speed when the calls came.

As it is, 3 people have been indicted in the accident - the captain of the watch on the frigate, the pilot on the tanker, and the traffic controller on land.

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#4470162 - 04/12/19 04:56 PM Re: Helge Ingstad: Warship collides with tanker in fjord [Re: EAF331 MadDog]  
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Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog
They reenacted the accident with another frigate, the same tanker and on about the same conditions in the same location.

It had no problems avoiding the tanker, and they also enacted several other scenarios, like the frigate having reduced speed when the calls came

Of course not. They have the benefit of hindsight and therefore cannot experience the same degree of confirmation bias that prevented the original crew from interpreting the situation correctly. The key to avoiding the disaster would have been to consider that the clueless civilians on the other side of the line actually had an idea what they were talking about rather than dismissing their "opinions". You can't enter the simulator without knowing that the situation would develop into a crash. The original crew did not seriously consider that option. Which, of course, is only my take on the situation, which puts about 95% of the responsibility of the collision on the bridge crew of the Helge Ingstad. I don't know if the oil tanker could have done anything, being all oil-tankery. Maybe the traffic controller could have been a bit more outspoken, who knows. But if you're driving with a somewhat stealthy frigate near top speed in lights out conditions into a narrow water way with sharp edges and other traffic you better be fully alert and extra careful rather than dismissive and overconfident.

But then again, we're all arguing from hindsight.

#4470197 - 04/12/19 08:17 PM Re: Helge Ingstad: Warship collides with tanker in fjord [Re: Patrocles]  
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The thing is it isn't an narrow waterway, not really.
It's about 5 km across at the collision point. So plenty of room to move

But yes, plenty of variables - like was the tanker in the right "traffic lane" etc.

(The reenactment was done with real vessels, not in a simulation)

#4470214 - 04/12/19 10:06 PM Re: Helge Ingstad: Warship collides with tanker in fjord [Re: EAF331 MadDog]  
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Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog
The thing is it isn't an narrow waterway, not really.
It's about 5 km across at the collision point.

Much narrower than the open sea which, even in coastal regions, has a spiky, ship-sinking rocky edge only in one direction, not both. Either way, I remember from the radio transcripts that the H.I. crew thought that they were too close to the limits of their lane to have room for maneuver (and that it was unnecessary because they weren't on a collision course with anyone, anyway, thank you very much).
Clearly, they had a very wrong picture of their situation, I suppose we can agree on that.

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