#4439891 - 09/20/18 02:33 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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The OP asked fora comparison with other games, not with real life, maybe they meant reality, but that wasn't specified. You're right. My comments actually did include mention of how this performs against other sims, I just didn't necessarily make direct comparisons. I said 'these sims' seem to leave a bit to be desired, and yet, in my own observation, there were others that seemed to do better than something based on CFS3 can do** Again, I mentioned real life experience because someone else - not me - brought it up, though I don't know for sure, presumably to gauge the accuracy of individuals' perspectives. My point in doing so is that many/most of those playing these games don't actually have any real aviation experience - strictly, mind you, in response to the notion that someone can't have a valid opinion unless they've flown a real Hurricane. In fact, to your point, the OP didn't ask about real life, so I'm not really sure why it was injected - again, not by me - into the dialogue. But, it was asked, so I responded. Simple as that. ** EDIT: I've heard people use the expression that "it flies like it's on rails" regarding the FM, but TBH I'm not sure what that actually means, though I could guess. I put it at a more general feeling something's just not behaving as it should sometimes, with the occasional "No way that could ever happen". But these discussions often deteriorate rapidly, so I've avoided them for the most part. I don't fly these sims because I expect absolute FM fidelity, IMHO that would be sort of stupid to expect, to be clear. TBH I only chimed in here because someone interjected concerning 'real' flight experience.
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#4439899 - 09/20/18 03:31 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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I like what I've seen of WotR so far, and look forward to what is to come.It is ultimately very enjoyable to play and worth the money, regardless of any comparison-based criticism I've listed earlier. ^^This. I'm in the same category,I'm having fun,I'm enjoying it immensely same as I enjoy WOFF and countless other sims. And that's what I play games (and that's what they are) for..Fun. Fwiw I've never flown a real life aircraft specifically the Hurricane or Emil and unless these craft have been flown by someone that flies these sims then surely everything else is pure guesswork? If anyone here has actually flown these planes then I'd love to hear your comments..and even then il continue to have fun in this sim,it may sound selfish but that's what I purchase games for. Regards Adger
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#4439901 - 09/20/18 03:43 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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From my perspective it's all down to the person playing the game... I have RoF, BoS, WoFF, WoTR, IL2 1946 and quite a few others. I enjoy playing all of them, they all give me hours of fun and enjoyment. They 'all' have aspects that need improving, they also have aspects that they do better than the others. If we could take all the things that each sim do really well and make them into a single game, we would be well on the way to having the perfect combat sim. That said, I will keep them on my HD for years to come I suspect As it stands, regardless of it's present state, I am enjoying WoTR even as it is now... I'm sure it will improve as time goes on.
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#4439903 - 09/20/18 03:50 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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The rails comment, is in reference to a more linear flight path...Ie: the aircraft's response offers less lag and instability, so its behaviour is more restricted with less vertical and lateral deviance. Some people expect a given object to behave more like a feather flying through the air at low speed, as compared to a dart or javelin at high speed. If you're expecting a buffeting feather, you'd be disappointed with a coursing bullet or javelin. Right. So, I wasn't debating what the rail comment meant, just that it's one way I've heard complaint about FMs expressed - and, as it happens, not one I've used. Let me say once again that I am not the one who brought up real life flight experience. It's just that this often gets brought up, mostly for two reasons: 1. To somehow discredit a poster's opinion; they've never flown aircraft X, therefore, they can't possibly know anything about how it behaves. (Not really accurate, and usually only brought up simply because the odds are fair that very few who are playing a game actually have flown the "real thing". So, it's relatively safe and easy to cast doubt.) 2. Somehow a given product's producer is extolling the product's virtues by claiming it faithfully reproduces flight dynamics (or the even more abstract "feeling of flight"...which I've always found amusing. Since it's impossible to quantify and entirely subjective, it's another easy claim). But, for hopefully one final time: I didn't bring it up.
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#4439904 - 09/20/18 03:55 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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From my perspective it's all down to the person playing the game... I have RoF, BoS, WoFF, WoTR, IL2 1946 and quite a few others. I enjoy playing all of them, they all give me hours of fun and enjoyment. They 'all' have aspects that need improving, they also have aspects that they do better than the others. If we could take all the things that each sim do really well and make them into a single game... I'd be absolutely thrilled if that happened. I too have played most of those titles (and the others that often come up, like RB3D and so on...). And you're right, they all have their pros and cons. It just happens the OP in this case asked for specific comparisons.
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#4439911 - 09/20/18 04:13 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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But, for hopefully one final time: I didn't bring it up.
Nobody's said you have kksnowbear,anyone that reads the posts surely knows that you didn't.
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#4439921 - 09/20/18 04:47 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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i did actually do some music for Rise of Flight (1c/777)...it was... an interesting experience. Does that have anything to do with anything OP asked? No, not really. Thanks for reminding us though?
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#4439924 - 09/20/18 04:55 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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i did actually do some music for Rise of Flight (1c/777)...it was... an interesting experience. Does that have anything to do with anything OP asked? No, not really. Thanks for reminding us though? Neither does your reply. Hows your reply helped to the OP,s original questions? Correct me if I'm wrong but..you've had a refund? So you didn't/don't enjoy WOTR? If that's correct then ( I'm assuming) your here to 'stir" the Pot so to speak..it certainly looks that way to me.
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#4439949 - 09/20/18 06:55 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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i did actually do some music for Rise of Flight (1c/777)...it was... an interesting experience. Does that have anything to do with anything OP asked? No, not really. Thanks for reminding us though? Neither does your reply. Hows your reply helped to the OP,s original questions? Correct me if I'm wrong but..you've had a refund? So you didn't/don't enjoy WOTR? If that's correct then ( I'm assuming) your here to 'stir" the Pot so to speak..it certainly looks that way to me. I already answered OP's question. Leave your presumptive melodrama at the door.
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#4439950 - 09/20/18 06:59 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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i did actually do some music for Rise of Flight (1c/777)...it was... an interesting experience. Does that have anything to do with anything OP asked? No, not really. Thanks for reminding us though? Neither does your reply. Hows your reply helped to the OP,s original questions? Correct me if I'm wrong but..you've had a refund? So you didn't/don't enjoy WOTR? If that's correct then ( I'm assuming) your here to 'stir" the Pot so to speak..it certainly looks that way to me. I already answered OP's question. Leave your presumptive melodrama at the door. Simply asking questions like yourself
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#4439955 - 09/20/18 07:22 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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Having followed this thread, and out of pure intellectual interest, I would love here from someone who has flown the aircraft, comment on the pros/cons of the FM's. I realize that there is the possibility that the FM's / sim engine may not be able to simulate the full flight characteristics of the given models, but it would provide some background knowledge that could be drawn upon and applied if it is at all possible, sometime in the future.
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#4439956 - 09/20/18 07:23 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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i did actually do some music for Rise of Flight (1c/777)...it was... an interesting experience. Does that have anything to do with anything OP asked? No, not really. Thanks for reminding us though? Neither does your reply. Hows your reply helped to the OP,s original questions? Correct me if I'm wrong but..you've had a refund? So you didn't/don't enjoy WOTR? If that's correct then ( I'm assuming) your here to 'stir" the Pot so to speak..it certainly looks that way to me. I already answered OP's question. Leave your presumptive melodrama at the door. Simply asking questions like yourself Oh whoa is me, you're so infinitely clever... Whatever shall I do? Please.
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#4439960 - 09/20/18 07:35 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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I already answered OP's question. Leave your presumptive melodrama at the door. Simply asking questions like yourself Oh whoa is me, you're so infinitely clever... Whatever shall I do? Please. "Whatever shall I do?" Go and play something else?? Maybe something you'll enjoy more? Something you'll have more fun with? Isn't that the idea of playing video games..to have fun?
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#4439962 - 09/20/18 07:38 PM
Re: Comparison to other Sims
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Having followed this thread, and out of pure intellectual interest, I would love here from someone who has flown the aircraft, comment on the pros/cons of the FM's. I realize that there is the possibility that the FM's / sim engine may not be able to simulate the full flight characteristics of the given models, but it would provide some background knowledge that could be drawn upon and applied if it is at all possible, sometime in the future.
Best Regards to all It'd be great to have somebody like that on board Robert,it really would. In the meantime I Personnally trust Pat Pattles recommendations,the mans been around I believe he certainly knows what he's talking about.
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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