I would like to get a lot more skilled at flying the Hurricane ... right now I am pretty clueless. I need some basic training!!

A little online research tells me that the Hurricane is a 'turn fighter' and when well flown should out-turn the BF109 (which will be booming and zooming). Coming from WOFF my turning tenancy is simply to bank steeply and yank back on the stick, but this seems to just kill speed in a Hurricane.
Can someone give me some pointers on how to turn at maximum rate and maintain some speed?

A few miscellaneous questions:
Do I need to fiddle with prop pitch or can this just be ignored?
Are there engine-heat issues I need to manage as I fly?
How does the aiming sight (recticule?) work? I have only used solid sights in WOFF.

Any helpful insights appreciated!!
77Scout

1. Prop pitch is quite important; since the Hurricane ingame has a constant speed airscrew (I think) what the mechanism does is you choose the RPM setting you desire and the prop will automatically change its pitch to ensure the engine is running at your chosen RPM setting at all times. The throttle controls your manifold pressure (indicated in “Boost”: lbs/square inch above ambient atmospheric pressure; for example +6lbs of boost at sea level would be equivalent to 42” of manifold pressure - 29.5 + Boost Setting*2).

In the Hurricane you’ll want to keep it at 2650 RPM for most attitudes of flight, whilst 2850 for combat (or 3000 in an emergency plus extra boost, up to +12), and between 1800-2400 for loitering/cruising with weak mixture.

2. The radiator shutter is only really required if the engine is overheating, but it’s good practice to keep it open during landing as it provides extra drag.

3. A reflector gunsights projects the reticle image at an infinite point, basically meaning wherever your head is turned, as long as you can see the reticle it remains a constant and accurate aiming point.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflector_sight

Keep in mind that reflector sights provide their full functionality only when used with TrackIR.

There's no such thing as a turn fighter.
Turning and burning is what you do when you've messed everything else up. Aim for surprise, hit and disengage where possible. Play the long game with the other guy and try to hit people that are fixated on other targets. The Hurri is inferior to the 109 in almost every way except for turn radius so you're not going to have it easy. If there's ice on the roads outside do you drive like a lunatic?

No.

Fly to the conditions and pick your fights very carefully.

You're slower, less well armed and less responsive on most axes than the 109. Your plane turns into a brick at higher speeds.
He's almost always going to be low on fuel, he's tied to protective duty, he has to cross the Channel to get home and you know where his bases are.

Use these facts, improvise and come up with something creative to kill him with.

Is the fuel level of Lutwaffe aircraft correctly modelled? In WOFF UE when flying Air started missions planes begin with full fuel tanks despite their distance from airfiled.

Bingo! And I'm really loving WOTR's rendition of the Hurricane precisely because it captures its limitations so well - it's teaching the right lesson about why it was, on balance, a bad idea for it to take on 109s in dogfights (and why often it had to be done regardless). The Hurricane is about the furthest thing from a turn fighter - even compared to the Spitfire, it's just a bulkier machine that bleeds energy rapidly in turns. And there are many sorts of turns it absolutely loathes to do in the first place. All other things being equal, you can't escape physics - and the 109 is simply far better at conserving and releasing energy, as long as it's able to do it on its own terms. Your best bet is catching it in situations where it can't. In fact, 2 of 3 times I popped a 109 so far in WOTR have been aircraft that were fleeing from battle at below maximum speed (low on fuel, I assume) and never saw me sneak up behind them.

Two things I would add about it is that it generally rolls quicker than the 109, and is more stable at very low speeds near stalling. There are certain situations you can definitely use those things to your advantage, especially defensively.

JJJ yes,

But air start no, you need to reduce it in your loadout if you want to pretend you flew there.

CCIP you can turn well in the Hurri and beat the 109, just needs more gentle stick don't yank it full back and watch the speed.
Sometimes you can also put partial flaps down if getting slow in the turn. Shift+F

An excellent book to read on the Hurricane vs 109 in combat is Tom Neils 'Gun Button to Fire'. They were quite confident in their ability against the 109 if they could get them at lower levels. At altitude they would often sit and watch the 109's circling above them, powerless to intervene and with the occasional pair breaking off to swoop down and pick off one of the squadron. He also mentions the 109 slats which had they made more use of them the 109's could have turned inside the Hurricane, which I never knew. All fascinating stuff.

Cheers,

Clive

I am hoping to get more specific ideas on how to turn this beast. What bank angle works best? Shallow turn with lots of rudder, or bank steeply and use elevator?

I think that guage with the up and down needles is somehow telling me how 'coordinated' my turn is, yes? I should try to keep the needles centered with rudder and elevator inputs?

In any aircraft like this you really want to lead into your turn with the rudder, while rolling, and back off the rudder when your bank angle is established. Also, the higher you get, the narrower the performance gap becomes. Be careful of being dragged down lown and beaten by the 109's superior low altitude performance.

Hi Guys,

havenˋt been around much lately. To put some light on the Hurry, i found some comparsion sheets

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me109/me109e.html
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/hurricane/hurricane-I.html

You will See easily, why the RAF withdrew the hurry from the fightersweeps once the spits were available, and put them for bomberintercept solely.
I will try to hold my Head down, until the 109s are on their way Home. I Might have read it somewhere, some ancient times in the past, that the german 109s only had 10min. combattime over England. Hope this is somehow modeled.

Tally ho chaps

In the campaign yes 109s will often be low on fuel or even sometimes run out on return to their bases - varying depending on their mission, base start positon etc.

Hey, thats good news! Opens up New options......

So how do I go the fastest I can go? I set the prop pitch for the 2800 range, lean the mixture to just about shut down then give it some back and throw the throttle forward, not necessarily all in that order. Is that the way to do it?

And don't forget to put a pint of high octane in your tank mate!@

Take a look at the attached.

It's for a bombed-up IIb, so not sure how relevant to the Ia

I have a better, fuller report, but it's 11Mb so too big for this forum

Thx for that, just ordered it, less than 10€ on amazon. Lets see if he has some good ideas to down the ˋemil´.