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#4434848 - 08/19/18 02:52 PM To all christians in here  
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And well, to everyone else also indeed, but christians are the target audience.

I've heard faith healers are still a thing in the USA, and some other christian countries too.

Any one of us can, once, meet someone who is ready to fall for these frauds.

I stumbled on this video and found it very moving, quite informative, and possibly useful if it can save anyone from being robbed, or even worse.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuP5uOI7Xwc&app=desktop&persist_app=1

If the link doesn't work for you, try to search "derren brown miracle for sale" on youtube.

Now if you ever meet someone who expresses being a possible future victim for these crooks, please show this person the video. If it does not help, I can't see what could.

I hope it can stay on CH and not move to PWEC too fast so please try to not discuss faith itself, focus on faith healers.

Of course, I'm 100% sure other religions have their own frauds, and atheists are also targets (for atheists search james randi on YT), but I didn't see any debunking vid yet (if you have one about islam or judaism please share).

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#4434852 - 08/19/18 03:06 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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So many people seek direction and purpose and meaning or help, and so many others seek to take advantage of those who need all of those things the most.


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#4434853 - 08/19/18 03:07 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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This really doesn’t belong here, but we’ll see how it goes.


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Someday your life will flash in front of your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching.
#4434856 - 08/19/18 03:20 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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Faith healers or other forms of work/trades/hobbies, etc there will never be shortage of those trying to take advantage of others


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#4434857 - 08/19/18 03:24 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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The video is blocked in Canada. I am a Christian and not the "Sunday only" kind smile I have no idea what the content is, but I do agree that most TV style "faith healers" are nothing more than charlatans. I also believe in the positive and healing power of prayer.


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Originally Posted by No105_Archie
The video is blocked in Canada. I am a Christian and not the "Sunday only" kind smile I have no idea what the content is, but I do agree that most TV style "faith healers" are nothing more than charlatans. I also believe in the positive and healing power of prayer.



Amen.


I believe in faiths' power to heal. But I also believe that most "faith healers" are frauds.


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#4434860 - 08/19/18 03:49 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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I see the commercials for "miracle waters" on TV and shake my head ,,Why do people believe that stuff..I pray twice a day in the morning and at night and these fools don't impress me my covenant is between me and the Father


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#4434863 - 08/19/18 03:54 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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Archie’s post stands for me too.


Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

Someday your life will flash in front of your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching.
#4434885 - 08/19/18 05:43 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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Old hat.

Our personal favorite was Ernest Angley, who had a regular Sunday show and was such a huckster that it was pure entertainment.

"Place your hand on the TV screen and be healed," was a laugh riot, and the same with the selective speaking of tongues.

When I say "our," I mean pretty much the entire community, which was about as church going Baptist-but-unaffiliated group of people could be. Think a visible minority of girls not wearing pants of any kind because that would be dressing as a man kind of community in a county where alcohol sales are illegal every day of the week.

Denigrating people who use faith for money with outrageous claims was grist for the mill in the circles of the faithful, and it was not for nothing that Elmer Gantry was required reading in High School. One might think a book showing a man using faith as a tool for wealth and duping good people with sermons that quoted atheists would be considered an "attack on religion," but it was taken the opposite way; it was a warning that there are no tricks in walking The Path, and those that truly serve God don't ask for cash up front.

Indeed, the sorts of people who fall for hucksters are usually not well versed in the faith, and find their need of spirituality later in life...and lack the knowledge to know when someone is far, far outside of the actual tenets of the religion.


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#4434890 - 08/19/18 06:00 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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#4434896 - 08/19/18 06:43 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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My brother in law tipped me off to this guy. There is a documentary on Netflix. Derren Brown Miracle Faith or Fiction. It really didn't convince me either way, is there a God, is there not ?

I've never believed in miracle healers, they are a mockery to Christianity IMO. I do however believe in God. I also believe God is far beyond our comprehension.


#4434908 - 08/19/18 07:38 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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Faith healers are no different then the sexual predators that are part of the Christian clergy of the church and those that protect
They both exploit those that are venerable.


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#4434918 - 08/19/18 08:45 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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I've never heard of this guy but thank you for your desire to warn and for giving us a heads up. Who is Derren Brown? I'll check his video out and see what he's got to say and who he's exposing.

Jesus warned us ahead of time of people like this. We need His Spirit and Word for discernment. Jesus Himself kindly warned the current and coming generations to "Let no man deceive you". I've seen people who appear to be nothing more than con men. I've watched some street videos of supposed Christian ministries engaging in behaviors that are not Scriptural but actually "New Age"(old age) occultic practices. Some of these groups in particular who are in error are likely self-deceived.(under the influence of seducing spirits) I believe there are the straight up cons who deceive and manipulate in the natural but that there are also those who are equally fraudulent but who are steeped in and open to supernatural darkness. Its interesting stuff and as Christians we need to be watchful and to also watch out for one another. Jesus has a harsh warning for those who would lead astray, present themselves as a stumbling block to those who believe in Him. These charlatans including many of the "prosperity gospel" types are in dangerous territory.

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." Mathew 10:16 We also forget so often to encourage one another with what Jesus told us many times and usually immediately proceeding or in the context of serious and heavy subject matters. "Do not be afraid".

God still heals and my family has witnessed it.

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#4435024 - 08/20/18 01:42 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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It’s not just faith healers who are frauds but I would also throw in the majority of “mega church” pastors.


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#4435045 - 08/20/18 04:23 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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Let me put it this way:

It's all about relationship.
If you have a very close relationship with a friend, when a Third Party comes along and tells you stuff that you know is not true or in character with your friend, then it is not hard to spot the false statements.

Best Example ever is the Treasury or FBI:
They take their new employees, and give them real money. They make them handle, study, and learn everything about the real money. After they are well versed in how it looks and feels, then they let them see the fake money.
You don't waste time learning the fakes, you learn the Real, and that makes you an expert. And when the Fake comes along, you can spot it easily.


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#4435049 - 08/20/18 04:34 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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Great post Bill!


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
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Originally Posted by Bill_Grant
Let me put it this way:

It's all about relationship.
If you have a very close relationship with a friend, when a Third Party comes along and tells you stuff that you know is not true or in character with your friend, then it is not hard to spot the false statements.

Best Example ever is the Treasury or FBI:
They take their new employees, and give them real money. They make them handle, study, and learn everything about the real money. After they are well versed in how it looks and feels, then they let them see the fake money.
You don't waste time learning the fakes, you learn the Real, and that makes you an expert. And when the Fake comes along, you can spot it easily.



+1


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#4435189 - 08/21/18 01:43 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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I can recommend looking up James Randi on youtube, he exposed Uri Geller among others.



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#4435208 - 08/21/18 05:13 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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I do find it interesting how a few hucksters here and there warrant a "To all Christians" topic header - and yet we are told to discount illegal and often violent actions of a few in a different religion as being something other than representative.


The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events.

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#4435211 - 08/21/18 05:26 PM Re: To all christians in here [Re: rollnloop.]  
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Well said Dart and that is a very valid point. There's no doubt about a double-standard existing for Christianity.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
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