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#4433377 - 08/07/18 05:59 AM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: LOF_Rugg]  
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Originally Posted by LOF_Rugg
But it was a friend of mine who IS a fighter pilot who was going to give them the info. Legally of course.


Your story would be a lot easier to believe if ED didn't have access to fighter pilots already, none of whom are willing or able (by law) to disclose any information about missile performance. Even if that were not the case, they'd need highly detailed wind tunnel test data for the missiles and it is doubtful that a pilot would have access to that.

Let's presume for a moment that your story is not baloney, in that case it is 100% certain that ED kept your friend out of jail.

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#4433430 - 08/07/18 02:10 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted by Sobek
Originally Posted by LOF_Rugg
But it was a friend of mine who IS a fighter pilot who was going to give them the info. Legally of course.


Your story would be a lot easier to belive if ED didn't have access to fighter pilots already, none of whom are willing or able (by law) to disclose any information about missile performance. Even if that were not the case, they'd need highly detailed wind tunnel test data for the missiles and it is doubtful that a pilot would have access to that.

Let's presume for a moment that your story is not baloney, in that case it is 100% certain that ED kept your friend out of jail.

Typical armchair quarterbacking from you, Sobek. You don't know the details nor will I disclose any. Everything would have been as legal as it is when ED gets other types of info about the aircraft. As for your belief or not in what I say, your opinion is irrelevant. Every post in these forums from you makes excuses for ED and why every one of the rest of us are wrong about everything we type. But thanks for calling me a liar. I'd call you something else but at the juncture I expect an apology from you. Personal attacks aren't allowed here, remember?

#4433436 - 08/07/18 03:33 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: LOF_Rugg]  
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Originally Posted by LOF_Rugg
But thanks for calling me a liar.


I didn't call you anything, i'm just saying that your story is extremely unlikely to be true. You're only a liar if you tell the untruth on purpose. You may very well believe that the story is true, in which case you wouldn't be a liar.

Just don't expect me to believe this unlikely story of yours when you can't provide an inch of proof. You're free to believe whatever you whish.

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#4433452 - 08/07/18 05:01 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Sobek]  
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You're not calling him a liar?

Originally Posted by Sobek


Let's presume for a moment that your story is not baloney


We all know you claim to know all about ED's inner workings and rush to their defense because you "know stuff" without offering in depth details on many occasions over the years. You don't know who Rugg is or who his contacts are...so maybe you should operate on the basis that you don't know enough to start smearing.


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#4433454 - 08/07/18 05:18 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: LOF_Rugg]  
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Originally Posted by LOF_Rugg
As for your belief or not in what I say, your opinion is irrelevant.


Ya I did not believe your statement either but I smelt a trap smile

Plus it's irrelevant to me



#4433468 - 08/07/18 07:44 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted by Force10
We all know you claim to know all about ED's inner workings and rush to their defense because you "know stuff" without offering in depth details on many occasions over the years.


That's a strawman argument if there ever was one. I claimed no such thing. I only call BS on things that make no sense.

Example: If you tell me the earth is flat, I'm going to demand proof or i reserve the right to call your claim BS. Appealing to authority instead of actual facts adds insult to injury.

Anyway,

Originally Posted by bisher

Plus it's irrelevant to me


I couldn't have put it better, this is pointless.

#4433472 - 08/07/18 08:01 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted by bisher


Ya I did not believe your statement either but I smelt a trap smile

Plus it's irrelevant to me

It's cool. You exist here merely to argue, judging by most of your posts. I apologize for upsetting those of you who don't believe what I said. I retract the statement and will not participate further in this discussion. Because it's either that or get a vacation for calling both of you out for who and what you are. HAND.

#4433477 - 08/07/18 08:43 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Anklebiter]  
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So Rugg you have read most of my 12,300 posts

Now I'm worried wink

But you were not discussing anything Rugg, you claim to know a pilot but would not give any more details. How is this a discussion?






#4433478 - 08/07/18 08:43 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted by Sobek

That's a strawman argument if there ever was one. I claimed no such thing. I only call BS on things that make no sense.

Example: If you tell me the earth is flat, I'm going to demand proof or i reserve the right to call your claim BS. Appealing to authority instead of actual facts adds insult to injury.



So...you think it's a stretch to think that many of us that have been combat flight sim enthusiasts for the last couple decades might have relatives, friends, contacts etc. that are combat pilots in the military?



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#4433479 - 08/07/18 08:47 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted by Sobek
I only call BS on things that make no sense.


Me too, which is why almost anything that ED says, releases or makes excuses for is met with the same sort of reply...........


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#4433488 - 08/07/18 09:56 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Anklebiter]  
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I am so happy that I just got back into flight simming, and DCS now! Reading between the lines, it seems folks have become frustrated with their slow pace of development. For me though, it's all new! So far I've gotten:

DCS 2.5 (Caucus map)
Viggen
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Hornet
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Persian Gulf Map.

I don't know what all people are on about, but I've been really really impressed with the quality of all of these!! I am also quite happy with the pace of Hornet development. Easily five years worth of entertainment here, especially since I'm a programmer and enjoy tinkering with the Mission Builder and Moose. I pray that after those 5 years I haven't become embittered like what I see on this site, but we will see.

Until then, I will be the token sweet summer child of the forum. Hornet is fantastic. It is so damn fun to fly. The maps are amazing. The cockpit is amazing. Graphics are amazing. VR is amazing. I get decent frames from a GTX 970.

I believe that fast jet sims are in a renaissance period and DCS is leading the charge.

I'm looking really really closely at Normandy and Spitfire because I want to create a "Time Pilot" campaign. Hornets and Warthogs blowing the hell out of Nazi's. TOTALLY REALISTIC!!!

#4433490 - 08/07/18 10:59 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Anklebiter]  
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lol Slappy 'token sweet summer child of the forum' that's good

Love the Hornets and Warthogs vs Nazi scenario idea

And back on topic

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#4433534 - 08/08/18 03:37 AM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Anklebiter]  
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Still waiting. And pushing buttons

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My wingy unfolding his wings. He's 011 and I'm 010. Need to look into why my wings are unfolded, perhaps a ME tweak?

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#4433602 - 08/08/18 03:38 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Force10]  
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Originally Posted by Force10

So...you think it's a stretch to think that many of us that have been combat flight sim enthusiasts for the last couple decades might have relatives, friends, contacts etc. that are combat pilots in the military?


Oh, c'mon, don't start stretching yourself. Nobody argues that, at least I didn't get such an impression. Plenty of active or retired military pilots and technicians around sim forums or sim players. They obviously have or had access to some weapon documentation as part of their job. However, the notion that Rugg's friend has authority to easily and legally distribute more detailed data, which Ed cannot obtain otherwise, taken at face value, is as plausible as Sobek's "knowledge" about how ED works inside. A classic d..ck waving contest at its best.

Sure, the friend might have provided some papers, but how useful would they be for programing purpose is anyone's guess.

#4433625 - 08/08/18 07:31 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Anklebiter]  
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post moved to the correct thread.

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#4433703 - 08/09/18 01:44 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted by bisher
My wingy unfolding his wings. He's 011 and I'm 010. Need to look into why my wings are unfolded, perhaps a ME tweak?


I think the question should be why your wingman's wings were folded. Wouldn't be the case on an airfield as far as I'm aware.

#4433737 - 08/09/18 05:10 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Anklebiter]  
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Good point Brun, however for this flight we were all in training and drinking beer.



#4433801 - 08/10/18 04:13 AM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Anklebiter]  
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That's me in the background on take off. Sitting in active pause, pushing buttons as my wing man streams past

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#4433939 - 08/11/18 01:27 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Force10]  
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Originally Posted by Force10
You're not calling him a liar?

Originally Posted by Sobek


Let's presume for a moment that your story is not baloney


We all know you claim to know all about ED's inner workings and rush to their defense because you "know stuff" without offering in depth details on many occasions over the years. You don't know who Rugg is or who his contacts are...so maybe you should operate on the basis that you don't know enough to start smearing.



Best we eat some of that bacon old mate newbie carped on from the OP. wouldn't want to rock the ED boat, especially with the "professional ED critic" comment which I admit is aimed entirely at the "professional scapegoat"

Mind you, the scapegoat who claims is no longer affiliated with ED whilst being a former moderator who could not moderate with out his personal views and thoughts on members in other forums getting in the way of the forum rules, whilst he bent the ED forum rules to suit...
As did his sidekick Skate who doesn't show his face around these parts. Not since the 1.13 was removed and they both no longer had legs to stand on.

Sobek is still more than happy to be the "eyes and ears" to those over at ED. scapegoat indeed.


#4433940 - 08/11/18 01:43 PM Re: Hornet Take Two [Re: Paradaz]  
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Originally Posted by Paradaz
Originally Posted by Sobek
I only call BS on things that make no sense.


Me too, which is why almost anything that ED says, releases or makes excuses for is met with the same sort of reply..........



I was calling BS on every post Sobek made at ED or anywhere else for that matter. Even with the moderator tag he once held.

I have recalled numerous times here in the past about putting Sobek forth as a community manager, that only got me an extended ban which in fact proves the point that
not even the head honchos at ED would accept Sobek back in any position of power......even senior member is out of reach.

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