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#4432435 - 08/01/18 01:42 AM Re: Babylon 5........ when does it get good? [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
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F4UDash4, I'm interested in hearing what you thought overall, once you've finished watching it. smile




That assessment will only take a couple of more days at most wink

I'll say now that I have been very impressed, wish I had watched this years ( or a couple of decades) ago.


It thought that exact same thing when I watched it all about a year ago.

I would agree that "A Call to Arms" and it's spinoff show "Crusade" are worth a watch.
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Well we finished it and it is a great series. Season one was as i stated before very slow, seasons 2-4 were great and season 5 started slow but got real good by mid season. Loosing Ivanova was a big loss for the show, I never got to liking here replacement Capt whatshername.

I didn't care for the last episode. I understand why it was done the way it was, we had already seen how Londo and G'Kar end up, but I missed having them in teh episode and also missed learning something about what they (especially G'Kar) were up to over the past 20 years. And for all the evil Londo was responsible for throughout the show I hated how he ended up a slave to the neck creature.

I really don't like series ending on a down note so Sheridan not finding a way around the 20 year time limit on his life was a downer too. And were was Bester in the end? Did Garibaldi ever get his revenge? What became of Lennier?


Great series, yes. Best scifi ever, no. But well worth the watch.


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Thanks for the update. I found season 5 to be a little weak, and I think that's because, if I recall correctly, JMS was told that there wouldn't be a fifth season so he started wrapping the story up, but then found out during season 4 that a 5th season had been approved, so he had to fill it in.

I actually appreciate a show that's willing to stick to its story and go for an ending that's not all rosy, especially back then, when it wasn't as common. It keeps the impact of events as more significant, in my opinion. In the old Star Trek series, a major character would die, or be given a terminal diagnosis, but we all knew the they would never really die, so there wasn't a lot of tension in the story. In B5, major characters were killed, so it you were never sure if some character might actually get killed off, adding a lot of excitement to the show for me. And they would do stuff that they would probably never do in ST:TNG, like get revenge on someone ("Walk into the garden, you will see.").

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I'm not against major characters dying in a series, just not in the last episode. Like how they killed Trip in the last episode of "Enterprise", just unnecessary. Of course with Sheridan it was different because it was predicted.


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They mentioned a couple of times predicting his “end”, with Kosh sending him a message on day of the dead telling him where to go. Plus no body was found. Either they’re going for a Christ figure...a stretch with Sheridan...or they left it open for the mythology if not an actual following story. If all that was going to happen was literally he’d “just stop” there wouldbe no point in his instructions. Who knows. Makes for a more interesting story.

They were dropped by the channel, UPN, IIRC, so had to rush an ending at season 4. Then TNT picked them up. Claudia had already made a commitment so had to be written out. With the way season 4 ended for her, it was kind of fitting. I agree she was missed. Scoggins wasn’t bad, but it’s hard to walk in on the final season of a complex show and blend in.

In S5, I notice Londo lost the gray hair, at least at the point I’m at. For some reason Sheridan has red hair. LOL I’ve only seen this season twice, I usually stop at the end of season 4 when I’ve watched before.


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Originally Posted by Raw Kryptonite


They were dropped by the channel, UPN, .



It was PTEN not UPN.

PTEN was going under so it was all of their shows which got dropped.


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Oh and the Lennier trying to kill Sheridan thing, totally unbelievable to me. That just wasn't in his character, not from what was seen of him for the previous 5 years.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Oh and the Lennier trying to kill Sheridan thing, totally unbelievable to me. That just wasn't in his character, not from what was seen of him for the previous 5 years.



Agreed. It just seemed to be a very sudden and "out there" thing for Lennier to do.

Ok, so he was jealous that Delenn didn't have romantic feelings for him but she had them for Sheridan. Big whoop. Someone like Lennier would not have lost it like that and gone so far as to let Sheridan die.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
And were was Bester in the end? Did Garibaldi ever get his revenge?

And to quote the B5 Wiki entry about Bester...

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Following the Telepath War, Alfred Bester was wanted for war crimes that he committed. He was planned to appear in the Crusade episode "Value Judgments", written by Fiona Avery, on the run from the authorities and being sought by Garibaldi's agents. The episode would have shown him encountering the crew of the Excalibur, who require a powerful telepath to open a lock that responds to powerful telepathy. The episode would have ended with him escaping once again.

He spent several years on the run before moving to Paris, France, where he fell in love with a local businesswoman named Louise. But Michael Garibaldi was relentless in his pursuit, and eventually tracked him down. Bester was brought before the war crimes tribunal, and was tried in France for his crimes. He was sentenced to life in prison and subjected to the Sleeper drugs that deprived him of his telepathic abilities. During that time, a statue was even made of the lost child of Fiona. He then spent the next 10 years in a maximum-security prison, and died shortly after the death of John Sheridan in 2281. The very day before his death, he finally accepted that he was indeed the 'lost child' of Matthew and Fiona Dexter, and his left fist finally reopened as a result. Even in death, Garibaldi pursued him. After Bester's funeral, Garibaldi went to the gravesite and hammered a wooden stake into the ground above Bester's coffin. This quite amused a departing watcher, who was fully aware of what Bester had done and been in life.


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Oh and the Lennier trying to kill Sheridan thing, totally unbelievable to me. That just wasn't in his character, not from what was seen of him for the previous 5 years.



Agreed. It just seemed to be a very sudden and "out there" thing for Lennier to do.

Ok, so he was jealous that Delenn didn't have romantic feelings for him but she had them for Sheridan. Big whoop. Someone like Lennier would not have lost it like that and gone so far as to let Sheridan die.


Same thoughts here. I thought that his feelings toward Delenn made sense, as did his putting distance between them, but I didn’t think he would have any real animosity towards Sheridan. He’d gotten along well with him, spending a lot of time on the white star etc. where they got along fine. It was a grab at drama, and a cheap one. Season 5 has a lot of the same feeling as season 1, just kind of floating around although you know it’s building up to something.


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Well it has been almost 5 years and we're watching it again. 3/4 into season 2.

Still a great show!


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Well it has been almost 5 years and we're watching it again. 3/4 into season 2.

Still a great show!



B5 is one of my top 5 greatest sci-fi shows of all time even with the production flaws and spotty acting in season 1.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Morden was a fantastic character and it’s a shame that the actor who played the role seems to have disappeared. I haven’t seen him at all since B5 ended its run.



I was rereading this thread and also saw Morden in an episode this evening and I looked him up:

https://waterstoneconstruction.net/about-us/


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Great find, looks like he is probably doing well, if not in show business.


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Originally Posted by Arthonon
Great find, looks like he is probably doing well, if not in show business.



Wow, great find indeed!! It's too bad his acting career didn't really pan out for the long term considering that he showed quite a lot of talent on B5.

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Londo Mollari is one of the most fascinating characters ever portrayed on TV, IMO.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Londo Mollari is one of the most fascinating characters ever portrayed on TV, IMO.



Agreed. That role was Peter Jurasik's "tour de force" in my opinion and he had a very long acting career. HIs 5 year character arc is nothing short of amazing and compelling.


I think G'Kar also falls under that category as well as far as I'm concerned. It was really Londo and G'Kar which hooked me when I watched "The Gathering" for the first time.


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I caught part of an interview of Jurasik and one of the interviewers stated "without Londo and G'Kar we wouldn't be here talking about B5 20 plus years later"

Very true.


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The guy who played Emperor Cartagia is also no longer acting, he's a lawyer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Krimmer


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
The guy who played Emperor Cartagia is also no longer acting, he's a lawyer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Krimmer



Nice find. I have no clue about his other roles that he may have done but he did a great job as Cartagia.


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