Intel Shows Off 28 Core, 56 Thread Core-X HEDT Processor For Enthusiasts, In Market Q4 ’18 – Promises More X299 and Mainstream Core Family Updates This Year
The 28 cores and 56 threads for consumers and enthusiasts would be unlike anything that has been done on the HEDT platform before. In Cinebench, the chip was shown running at 5.00 GHz across all cores (2.70 GHz base) and scored 7334 multi-core points. In comparison, an overclocked Core i9-7980XE with 18 cores and 36 threads scores around 5000 points so that is a mighty jump. We cannot confirm whether the overclock was on air cooling, liquid cooling or LN2..
Articles tend to tout maximum performance on short duration benchmarks (for AMD, Nvidia, and Intel) -- probably because it makes a more interesting article. In running Fire Strike, for example, the test periods are short (15s to 45s on my PC). In Cinebench, on a high core count CPU, the test is over quickly.
During those short periods, CPUs and GPUs can run hot and not falter -- because they can be started cool and only spend seconds (not many minutes or hours) at the top heat.
Stressful long term computations or CPU limited sections of high end games run hot for longer duration than the most used benchmarks. Thus, I'd like to see results of "stress test benchmarks" in these articles (i.e. what is the maximum "continuous" performance over 60+ minutes). In a stress test, I assume the clocks would have to run close to base-frequency.
Speaking of Base clocks vs Boost clocks, this article gives a more complete picture.
Intel Core i7-8086K Anniversary Limited Edition CPU Announced – A 8700K On Steroids With 5 GHz Boost, 95W TDP
We are looking at a base clock of 4.00 GHz which boosts all the way up to 5.0 GHz. The 5.0 GHz boost clock is single-core and all core boost is rated at 4.4 GHz but mostly stable at 4.3 GHz unless provided proper cooling. The processor being a ‘K’ SKU can be further overclocked but we don’t expect large gains in overclocking..
AMD had its news conference yesterday. Outlined new products -- including 7nm graphics and 32core/64thread CPU for high end desktops. Here's the list -- using the usual article quotes:
AMD Demos World’s First 7nm GPU: the New Vega Instinct With 32 GB HBM
The roadmap still remains the same: Starting with Vega 14nm, we will get a shrink down to 7nm and then move on to Navi – also at 7nm. Finally, We will get the Next-Gen architecture sometimenear 2020 which will leave behind GCN once and for all.
The new Vega Instinct will be based on the 7nm process which offers 35%more performance since the last generation node (14nm) and has twice the power efficiency meaning it can do that in half the wattage. Density has also doubled allowing for either drastically smaller die sizes or twice as big GPUs.
The company gave a very short – but working – demo for the 7nm as well, showcasing its rendering capability. This is something that will allow it to make headway into the ray tracing market that NVIDIA CUDA currently occupies. The company also revealed that the card is sampling to partners right now and will be officially launching sometime in the second half of 2018. [this card is not for gaming]
NVIDIA does not have a 7nm processor right now (Volta is 12nm)
AMD 2nd Generation Ryzen Threadripper CPUs With Up To 32 Cores and 64 Threads Confirmed – Built on 12nm Zen+ Process, First Demo Shown, Launch in 2H 2018
AMD has just dropped the bomb at Computex 2018, showcasing their very first 2nd Generation Ryzen Threadripper flagship processor with up to 32 cores and 64 threads, something we knew would happen and reported last year. The announcement comes a day after Intel announced their flagship 28 core, 56 thread Cascade Lake-X CPU for Q4 2018.
Just like Pinnacle Ridge processors, the new Ryzen Threadripper processors will feature the latest Precision Boost and XFR clocking techniques for more stable and efficient operation over the current Threadripper variants. We can also expect faster clocks out of the box in terms of both base and booth frequencies and a good gain in overclocking improvements. AMD will also keep compatibility retained on current X399 motherboards with the TR4 socket
AMD Also Confirms 7nm Zen 2 “ROME” EPYC CPUs In Labs, Shows First Sample
AMD Computex 2018: EPYC is “More Performance At Every Price Point” Compared To Competitors
AMD compares EPYC price points to Intel Xeon at Computex 2018
When the cost per unit is less than $1000, AMD has a clear performance advantage, as the cost per unit increases (ie you move towards more powerful variants) the margin decreases [but AMD still leads].
The company also announced three new server efforts: including getting CISCO on board and them pronouncing EPYC the “densest” server computing solution yet.
AMD CPUs have caught up to Intel overall and AMD is competitive -- wins some and loses some. Now, its Intel that has to work hard to stay competitive.
Likewise with GPUs. Nvidia has the lead today. But, its really not a big lead -- comes down to what one has to pay that day. Most gamers do not buy $500 GPUs, they want to spend closer to $200 maximum. If AMD 7nm GPUs stay on track for launch next year or early in 2020, Nvidia will have to match (I assume they will). But, for practical (bang for buck) purposes, take away cryptocurrency GPU price rises and AMD technology is already competitive with Nvidia (or will be in 2019, depending on one's viewpoint).
Long term, "competitive" is all we consumers can hope for -- because the industry is reaching the end of what can be done with silicon (other than add more CPU cores or GPU shaders). Competition will give Intel, Nvidia, and AMD buyers the best products sooner, for less cash.
AMD Radeon RX Using 7nm Process Technology Coming To Gamers, 2019 Release Sheduled
AMD’s CEO, Lisa Su, announced at their Computex 2018 press conference that 7nm GPUs will be coming to gamers. The graphics cards will make their way to the market around 2019 but what is not confirmed at the moment is whether AMD is talking about 7nm Vega or 7nm Navi for gamers.
So 7nm Radeon RX is definitely coming to gamers, but [the author assumes] it would be based on Navi meaning that AMD has not changed their roadmap and are sticking to it. ..
So a slight bit more confirmation of 7nm AMD gamer's card for 2019. Articles are guessing RX Navi branding. Previous articles "guessed" that the first RX Navi would perform equally to RX Vega 64 and GTX 1080 -- but cost only $250 (the gaming GPU price sweet spot).
It will probably be months before anything more accurate/concrete is actually known.
AMD officially announced the Radeon RX Vega 56 Nano at Computex 2018 this year and its time we posted close-up shots of this tiny card. Nano editions have been pretty popular before and if the company is able to ship this in volume, this could be too.
Also, found a recent (4 days old) test article comparing my new Powercolor RX Vega 64 to the popular high end cards. Current tests are good because they use current GPU drivers -- which improve as time marches on.
In 18 game tests (9 at 2K and the same 9 at 4K), GTX 1080Ti wins all. My Powercolor RX Vega comes in 2'd in 15 out of the 18 tests. GTX1080 comes in 2'd in 3.
Thus, based on an independent test it meets my objectives for a very good gaming card. However, the FPS difference between my RX Vega and GTX1080 is very small.
Right now, Newegg has my card for $600 and the cheapest GTX1080 at $504 -- and, the cheapest comparable 3 Fan version of GTX1080 is $540. So, GTX1080 is the cost effective solution today.
If you have been listening to all recent signals like for example AMD's Computex announcements, 7nm chips are arriving much faster than originally anticipated.
TSMC has received growing customer demand in favor of 7nm node manufacturing for their chip products, said the sources, adding that more of its major fabless clients intend to skip 10nm process and go directly to 7nm one. HiSilicon, MediaTek, Xilinx and Nvidia have all disclosed their adoption of TSMC's 7nm process in their next-generation chip products.
AMD announced skipping 10nm for 7nm a long time ago. No doubt, others were thinking about it. But, the ball is rolling now. I wonder if Intel will keep on trying at 10nm -- its a year or more overdue.
Meantime, one should note, that 12nm, 10nm, 7nm are not absolute physical dimensions. Rather, they are partly physical dimensions and partly a way of describing roughly how effectively a particular chip works. To put it another way, all 7nm are not created equal size.
Nonetheless, once AMD and a couple others jumped to 7nm, it pushed many to jump -- because they have to compete. This is good for the customer.
Really hope Zen 2 (Ryzen 3?) brings a big GHZ increase as well as IPC increase. Just bought a Ryzen 2700X. Going from a Ryzen 1600, which worked great. Figured I'd do the side grade. I really just wanted it to boost to 4.35GHZ for ArmA 3 & DCS. It felt like too much effort to upgrade to another 6 core, so I decided to spend a bit more and get 8C/16T.
If anyone has any interest in a Ryzen 1600 let me know as I should be putting it up for sale in around a week and a half.
Bitcoin price plunges after cryptocurrency exchange is hacked
[Bitcoin] lost $500 (£372) in an hour, dropping to $6,627 on the Luxembourg exchange Bitstamp, while most other digital currencies also recorded large losses.
US regulators were investigating potential price manipulation at four major cryptocurrency exchanges
“Plenty of latecomers to the cryptocurrency rally have had their fingers burnt, have taken their losses (or are still sitting on them) and have vowed never to return,”
Today, Bitcoin price was within a fraction of lowest in over a year. Profitability was lowest in years. Price manipulation seems to have been there from the beginning (in my readings).
Today, at Newegg, the cheapest 3 Fan GTX 1080 is $540 and the cheapest 3 Fan RX Vega 64 is $570 (both include a free game). The cheapest GTX1080Ti is $750.
At release, the Reference RX Vega 64 list price was $500 -- and custom 3 fan cards were expected to be $50 more. That price jumped up quickly after release due to increased HBM2 memory prices that (some speculate) added close to $50 to the cost. Hence, it was not unusual to pay roughly $600 for a Vega 64, even at the beginning. Thus, $550-$600 list price (more or less) is not way out of line for AMD cards like these -- particularly if one wants to use their "compute" functionality.
But, as has been noted in various SimHQ threads, now's not the time to buy -- unless one very much wants a particular model and it goes on good sale (my rational-ization ). I assume the price will continue to drop.
Intel CEO: We Will Likely Lose Server Market Share to AMD’s EPYC
Mr. Krzanich was very matter-of-fact in saying that Intel would lose server share to AMD in the second half of the year. This wasn’t new news, but we thought it was interesting that Mr. Krzanich did not draw a firm line in the sand as it relates to AMD’s potential gains in servers; he only indicated that it was Intel’s job to not let AMD capture 15-20% market share.”
[AMD currently has 1% share] Should AMD get to 10% market share, ~$1.8 billion, they would be adding a massive 40% above their total 2017 revenue. This includes everything [AMD sells]
AMD’s fab partners succeeding at the next node (7nm) where Intel is struggling (10nm)
Intel has pushed its major ramp of 10nm products to next year, while AMD’s major fab partner for 7nm, TSMC, is forging ahead right on schedule for 7nm production later this year. AMD may very well beat Intel to market with next-generation chips by half a year or more.
Thanks to its modular layout, AMD is bringing more cores to bear for less money, all while matching Intel toe-to-toe on the all-important cost metric: energy efficiency.
more and more applications are all about cost versus efficiency and AMD’s EPYC is looking to score some big design wins because of it.
AMD stock has been strengthening in the last weeks and has is up 50% over the last 6 weeks. AMD closed today $15.73, a 10 year high. Intel closed 1%down today.
An article that claims to have "inside knowledge" of AMD's Future Direction and its implications. May be worth a read to someone really interested in AMD's future.
Exclusive: The AMD Inside Story, Navi GPU Roadmap And The Cost Of Zen To Gamers
it is essential to understand AMD’s contextual backdrop – both in terms of talent and finances. The company has a market capitalization $15.25 billion and has struggled to turn a profit. In comparison, competitors like NVIDIA and Intel are giants with market capitalization of $158.2 billion and $254.1 billion respectively and net income in the billions of dollars as well. The same goes for talent as well, it costs money and AMD has a relatively smaller pool of (very) talented engineers that can work on a given project at one time as compared to its much bigger rivals.
Lisa’s dilemma: A CPU comeback with semi-custom centric [GPU] roadmaps or maintain expensive leadership in graphics for gamers
AMD built Vega for Apple and it is building Navi for the Sony PS5 – which is expected to launch in 2020
Creating value for shareholders vs value for gamers
While it’s clear to me that Lisa steered the company towards the steady and reliable income of the semi-custom [GPU] market and prioritized the CPU side of things over [gaming], I cannot bring myself to say it was a bad thing in terms of creating value for shareholders.
Sacrificing some of their gaming blood to make a comeback in the x86 market and a slow but steady stream of income from the mainstream and semi-custom GPU market is the trade-off at play here and while I do not have the actual numbers to back any kind of statement, it does seem like a feasible choice to make. Lisa’s choice might have robbed Radeon fans of their birthright, but it probably saved the company.
This author is predicting no AMD 7nm for gamers early next year. Rather, initially, 7nm will be for industrial clients and also aimed at the new PS5 Console.
The author agrees with the AMD plan, in principle because it keeps AMD alive and progressing. Currently, according to this author (and many others) AMD is giving Intel serious problems. However, Nvidia is "off the hook" at the high-performance-GPU end for a couple more years (according to the author).
For the next couple years, AMD will concentrate on cost effective products for the "mainstream" GPU market that applies to most gamers -- if one wants the fastest FPS regardless of cost, that will be Nvidia for a while longer.
We'll see how this turns out - the author may be incorrect. However, if the article is correct and the AMD plan keeps AMD alive to compete, that's a good thing -- because, otherwise, Intel and Nvidia have no competition; that is bad for everyone.
Rumors rumors rumors. The pundits are digging for something to write about. Use much salt on these headlines. The articles have no real information -- just speculation.
AMD Navi GPUs Will Not Use MCM [Multi-Core-Module] Design, Feature Single Monolithic Die Instead, Reveals RTG SVP [Senior Vice President] – [AMD Has] Yet To Conclude If MCM Can Be Used in Traditional Gaming Graphics Cards
GeForce 20 rumors: HDMI 2.1 and new Boost Clock?
Still rumoring Nvidia might be doing something relatively big for August. High end performance and pricing are rumored.
Rumors say AMD is aiming at next year for a new gaming card. But, little is based on actual knowledge. As noted earlier in this thread, other slightly believable rumors I've read say the card will be effectively an RX Navi for $250 -- that performs like a currently $600 RX Vega 64
AMD fans have been waiting for multi-core GPUs -- similar to multi-core used in the Threadripper. The benefit is extremely high graphics-shader counts -- for the lowest manufacturing costs.
The attached image from the AMD article shows what's meant by single core and multi-core. The article says Multi-core AMD GPUs are not likely next year -- as originally thought. However, they are under active consideration.
I play Fallout 4 at 1440p (2K) loaded down with mods -- not a nuclear desert -- rather a verdant, thick 3D modeled forest of 3D trees loaded with 3D weeds and grasses (as would be the case 200 years after the war). The graphical textures have been upped from 512 and 1024 pixels to mostly 2048 and 4096 pixels. A real load on the CPU and GPU.
I was happy that my new RX Vega 64 seemed to boost FPS significantly vs my Reference RX480. However, there were still sections of the cities (also overgrown with plant life) where the minimum FPS still dropped to 15 in some view directions (playable but too noticeable). It was virtually identical with my RX480 GPU. Obviously, more GPU power would not make much difference. And, CPUs don't get much faster than mine.
Today, I searched to see if there was an "answer". There are (by my count) 22 optional graphics settings in FO4. Normally, I have them all on the maximum settings -- usually called "ultra" (I do that in all games).
The answer: Only one mattered -- "Shadow Distance". I had that on Ultra. Setting to High or Medium doubled the slow parts from roughly 15FPS to roughly 30FPS (kept all else on Ultra). Many other sections away from the city have moved to near 60FPS or over (I use the Steam overlay FPS counter, my monitor refreshes at 60FPS so that's the max for my system).
Interesting to me that only one innocuous setting caused the issue (I assume shadows multiplied when the 3D models in view multiplied). Apparently, its not strictly a GPU issue. So, a faster GPU is not always the answer. FWIW, on my system, normal, unmodified games all run fast so far -- but, I like to self-mod and download mods -- its half the fun.
AMD Sneakily Launches The Radeon Pro V340 – Dual Vega 10 GPU With 32GB HBM2
The card was quietly unveiled in a presentation given by Nick Pandher, Director of Market Developement Professional Graphics at AMD during a chinese press event. The card is one of the first AMD cards to feature 32 GB of HBM2 memory and is essentially 2 Vega 10s running in parallel. The graphics card is being purported as a virtualization solution with capacity for 32 users.
Author speculates this is not 7nm, Just a dual-GPU chip Vega for professional compute applications.
AMD Ryzen 5 2500X and Ryzen 3 2300X Mainstream AM4 Quad Core CPUs Spotted, First Benchmarks Revealed – Boost Up To 4.00 GHz
AMD is readying two new Ryzen 2000 series desktop processors which will soon be available to gamers around the $150 US sweet spot. The new processors include Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 SKUs that are going to aim the budget gamer market with all of the features available on current 2nd generation Ryzen CPUs.
.. the Ryzen 5 2500X. This is a quad core with multi-threading capabilities. It features a base clock of 3.60 GHz and boosts up to 4.00 GHz,
..expect something close to the $150-$160 US range which will be a great value considering the performance metrics put it really close to Intel’s Core i7-7700.