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#4423774 - 05/31/18 05:45 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: Chucky]  
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Using them 3 of them in a RAID 0 array might be fast but you have tripled the chance of losing all of it since there is no fault tolerance in that arrangement.


True,but all I have on there are games and I back up the drive once a month. The RAID 0 was just an experiment,it's lasted longer than I'd originally intended. I was going to add another drive and add some redundancy but the spare drive I had was 'lent' to my brother who appears to have lost it.


OK, that makes sense. I won't ask how someone loses a disk drive. wink


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#4423783 - 05/31/18 06:02 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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Oh I think he knows where it is, he just doesn't want to give it back. He won't be getting any more.


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#4423788 - 05/31/18 06:10 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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Might need some time to move his "homework" to a new drive wink


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#4423969 - 06/01/18 03:46 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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I'm glad this conversation showed up. I was about to comein here an ask about this. I have a four year old Asus laptop. Republic of Gamers model. Nice. But I'd thought I'd give it a little kick in the butt with slightly upgraded video card. Not the integrated one, the the 2GB Nvidea card. The guys who I go to, told me he didn't think it could be done. He said, though, that he could get me a SSD harddrive to replace mine. He thought it was a better use of my money, anyway.
But I wondered if it would help with my gaming. It's really the only reason I want to do the upgrade. Not that it's running badly...just need a little ooomph, you know?
So maybe that and some more RAMM and I can use this thing for a few more years. That's what I was thinking. I'm wondering , now, if it's worth it. He thinks that he can pick up a new 1TB SSD for my unit for about 200 dollars. It's better than paying over 1,000 for a new one. I'm still going back and forth about it.

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#4423974 - 06/01/18 04:07 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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I have a 1 TB RAID 0 SSD and a 2 TB RAID 0 SSHD - I keep my OS in the SSD and my games in the SSHD, loads very fast P3D and Il-2 , it is better IMO to keep your OS in one drive and games in another.

#4423996 - 06/01/18 05:09 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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So I can save some money by getting an external SSHD, instead. Do that and double the memory from 8GB to 16 and I should be really good to go. I think I know what I'm going to go out and buy, today.


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#4424004 - 06/01/18 05:47 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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Your ROG laptop does not already come with an SSD? Might be useful to check; you may be buying the same item twice. Also look at external GPU setups. Basically, you can buy a full-sized GPU, buy some hardware, merge the two together, and use that to power your pixel-pushing without upgrading your entire laptop. I've only known about this in passing so not sure how viable it is, but might be worth a good research for your case. IMHO, all games will benefit from a good GPU whereas only DCS really insists on 16GB RAM or more.


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#4424005 - 06/01/18 05:53 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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16 GB RAM is a good thing to have - SSD are really great but too expensive to use for storage and for games that need hundreds of GB of space specially as Windows has a bad habit of using more and more space as the install ages.

#4424101 - 06/02/18 02:25 AM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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"Your ROG laptop does not already come with an SSD?"
You got me thinking! I didn't even know. It's a 1tb Toshiba MQ01ABD100. I googled that and it doesn't seem to be solid state. I'm still researching.


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#4424104 - 06/02/18 02:46 AM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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My ROG G75 did not come with an SSD. I replaced the HDD within the first week that I owned it. I would not run a PC without an SSD as the boot drive no matter what I was using it for.


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#4424109 - 06/02/18 03:52 AM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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The ROG 75 is what I'm running, too. G750. My hard drive does not appear to be solid state. Just a regular mechanical hard drive, and according to reviews, not a very fast one. Rather than replace the drive, I've gone out and purchased a 500GB, Samsung, portable ssd drive. I'm thinking of moving the flight sims off of my internal hard drive and moving them all over to the ssd. Does this sound like something that's a good idea?


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#4424150 - 06/02/18 01:21 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: Pooch]  
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Originally Posted by Tom_Weiss
16 GB RAM is a good thing to have - SSD are really great but too expensive to use for storage and for games that need hundreds of GB of space specially as Windows has a bad habit of using more and more space as the install ages.

How so? A 16GB kit for desktop runs around £150, a 250GB Samsung 860 EVO is around £70, a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO is around £110. I'd say if you already have 8GB RAM, an SSD is better value for money in terms of performance improvement.

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The ROG 75 is what I'm running, too. G750. My hard drive does not appear to be solid state. Just a regular mechanical hard drive, and according to reviews, not a very fast one. Rather than replace the drive, I've gone out and purchased a 500GB, Samsung, portable ssd drive. I'm thinking of moving the flight sims off of my internal hard drive and moving them all over to the ssd. Does this sound like something that's a good idea?

I could be wrong about this, but unless you connect via a USB 3.0 interface, it won't be very fast. Might as well just buy a SSD to install inside your laptop then buy an external drive that has USB 3.0? Not very much experience with laptops, sorry!


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#4424154 - 06/02/18 01:41 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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you can have an ultra fast SSD but without adequate RAM you will end up with slow performance - 8 GB is what Windows needs to run well and if you have only that, having a browser open while running a game will leave you with 4 GB to play with, 16 GB is what you need.

I have no idea how DCS runs with extra RAM, but I suppose it is the same as Il-2 and P3D, this is me right now making a skin

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I can run P3D or Il-2 with the free RAM I have - with 8 GB you slow down your PC.

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I'm no expert, Tom, but shouldn't the system make-do with what you have? I agree that 16GB RAM is sweet to have, but with current RAM prices and assuming the user already has 8GB RAM to start with, my point is that buying an SSD would probably give you better results than buying a 16GB RAM kit.


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#4424175 - 06/02/18 03:12 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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if what you want is better performance - better with more RAM , unless you have a Notebook that can't have more RAM added, then swapping the HD for an SSD and using the old one as an external is the way to go.

everything now is more expensive as we need not 4 GB to run a 32 bit flight sim but 32 GB RAM to run a 64 bit one.

#4424178 - 06/02/18 03:16 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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"could be wrong about this, but unless you connect via a USB 3.0 interface, it won't be very fast."
No, you're not wrong. Without a 3.0 USB it would be kind of pointless. I do have them. I was told to look inside the usb port and if they are blue, then its 3.0. They are all blue. And I'm putting 8 GB more of RAMM in there, too. Hopefully, I'll have added a couple of years more of life to the old girl. And that's sad, isn't it. 4 years is old in computer life.
And the drive wasn't all that expensive. I picked it up on sale at Best Buys for 145 dollars. A whole lot less than it would have cost me to put a new internal drive, in there.

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#4424180 - 06/02/18 03:23 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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Indeed, I'm not saying more RAM is not better, all I'm saying is that for the cost, an SSD is a better buy assuming the user has 8GB RAM to start with, at least IMHO.

I wonder if how many games or flight sims out there have significantly better performance with 16GB/32GB/64GB RAM compared to 8GB? How much of that is due to better resources/hardware available and how much of that is due to better software coding? Basically, I expect most software to benefit from better resources/hardware such as more RAM or an SSD but good software should still work acceptably with 4-8GB RAMand an HDD and bad software would *NEED* more resources/hardware due to poor coding.


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#4424182 - 06/02/18 03:25 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: Pooch]  
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Originally Posted by Pooch
"could be wrong about this, but unless you connect via a USB 3.0 interface, it won't be very fast."
No, you're not wrong. Without a 3.0 USB it would be kind of pointless. I do have them. I was told to look inside the usb port and if they are blue, then its 3.0. They are all blue. And I'm putting 8 GB more of RAMM in there, too. Hopefully, I'll have added a couple of years more of life to the old girl. And that's sad, isn't it. 4 years is old in computer life.
And the drive wasn't all that expensive. I picked it up on sale at Best Buys for 145 dollars. A whole lot less than it would have cost me to put a new internal drive, in there.

No, it isn't! smile But then I'm a desktop guy and can upgrade parts individually, improve airflow, etc. A laptop is under more stress if nothing but because all those parts are in close proximity to each other and are subject to more heat. I hope your new upgrades gives you the performance you want! Good luck! biggrin


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#4424183 - 06/02/18 03:26 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: 16th_Grumpy]  
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#4424188 - 06/02/18 03:57 PM Re: Running DCS on an SSD? Thoughts? Lets discuss! [Re: - Ice]  
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Indeed, I'm not saying more RAM is not better, all I'm saying is that for the cost, an SSD is a better buy assuming the user has 8GB RAM to start with, at least IMHO.

I wonder if how many games or flight sims out there have significantly better performance with 16GB/32GB/64GB RAM compared to 8GB? How much of that is due to better resources/hardware available and how much of that is due to better software coding? Basically, I expect most software to benefit from better resources/hardware such as more RAM or an SSD but good software should still work acceptably with 4-8GB RAMand an HDD and bad software would *NEED* more resources/hardware due to poor coding.


what you are asking is if needing 32 GB RAM to run well is indicative that DCS is poorly optimized ?

I have no idea if it is.

the only reason why I have 32 GB is for skin making and that because of my 8-12 GB templates - but for 1-3 GB templates 8 GB (on top of 8 GB for Win10) is enough.

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