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#4423747 - 05/31/18 05:07 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: No Fear]  
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The ratio of KIA to WIA is more a factor of advances in evacuation and early trauma care than equipment.


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#4423752 - 05/31/18 05:10 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
The ratio of KIA to WIA is more a factor of advances in evacuation and early trauma care than equipment.


Beat to the punch by someone who knows.

Also, looks like the future soldier won't have any room for silly stuff like, ammo, rations, bedding, claymores, water. But he'll have air conditioning! Hopefully Facebook too!


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#4423758 - 05/31/18 05:25 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by Nixer
Originally Posted by oldgrognard
The ratio of KIA to WIA is more a factor of advances in evacuation and early trauma care than equipment.


Beat to the punch by someone who knows.

Also, looks like the future soldier won't have any room for silly stuff like, ammo, rations, bedding, claymores, water. But he'll have air conditioning! Hopefully Facebook too!


Well, Facebook has been weaponized. biggrin


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#4423761 - 05/31/18 05:28 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: No Fear]  
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The soldiers fresh out of high school won't be using FB. Haven't you heard? FB is now only used by "old people". Those brand new privates will be using Instagram and Snapchat instead.


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#4423764 - 05/31/18 05:33 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
The ratio of KIA to WIA is more a factor of advances in evacuation and early trauma care than equipment.


That probably factors in for sure but wwii and vietnam didnt have any real protection other than a tin helmet. Now almost every soldier has body armor and etc that is fairly high quality. One of my buddies who was in afganistan got shot (or hit with shrapnel) 8 times during his rotation. Every one of those hits would have killed or maimed him without the modern body armor (or so he says). The few times he got layed up for injuries he says would have probably killed him without armor. (no idea if any of it is true but it always affected my view of the gear in a positive way.)


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#4423798 - 05/31/18 06:44 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: No Fear]  
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I will admit that body armor is something new that I don’t have real world experience with. New trick that this old dog hasn’t been trained to do.


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#4423803 - 05/31/18 07:12 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Are the dollar values for WWII and Vietnam adjusted for inflation?


No, they aren't. Adjusted for inflation using the BLS inflation calculator yields the below results:

$170.00 in January 1943 is $2,520.29 today.
$1,112 in January 1969 is $7,826.04 today.

So apples to apples cost per soldier according to that chart is:

WW2 - $2,520.29
Vietnam - $7,826.04
GWOT - $17,472.00

#4423804 - 05/31/18 07:14 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: No Fear]  
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Thanks Rambler. smile


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#4423805 - 05/31/18 07:19 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: Rambler]  
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Originally Posted by Rambler
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Are the dollar values for WWII and Vietnam adjusted for inflation?


No, they aren't. Adjusted for inflation using the BLS inflation calculator yields the below results:

$170.00 in January 1943 is $2,520.29 today.
$1,112 in January 1969 is $7,826.04 today.

So apples to apples cost per soldier according to that chart is:

WW2 - $2,520.29
Vietnam - $7,826.04
GWOT - $17,472.00



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#4423967 - 06/01/18 03:38 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: No Fear]  
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While continuing my search, I found this about WW1 (not quite what I was looking for but still food for thought) :

http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/..._to_outfit_and_arm_American_WW1_soldiers

http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/...outfit_and_arm_American_WW1_soldiers-pdf

$156 seem steep compared to the $170 of WW2 that the other picture in one of my previous posts showed.

I also remember reading in most of the books I bought about WW2, the vast amount and wide variety of equipment/gear given to the paratroopers while preparing for operation Overlord.
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#4423975 - 06/01/18 04:07 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: No Fear]  
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A price drop between WW1 and WW2 for equipment appears entirely possible, given the advances in industrailization and mass production between 1915 and 1935.


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#4423976 - 06/01/18 04:08 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: No Fear]  
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Originally Posted by No Fear

$156 seem steep compared to the $170 of WW2 that the other picture in one of my previous posts showed.




Not when you take mass production into account. In WWII, the US economy was 100% reconfigured for massive production of military hardware and uniforms. That was certainly not the case during WWI and hence why that $156 figure was not significantly lower.

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#4423979 - 06/01/18 04:25 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: No Fear]  
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I always smile a bit at the sanitized version of what a ground troop carries.

Spoiler - nobody carries just the poster load.


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#4423988 - 06/01/18 04:52 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: Master]  
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Originally Posted by Master
Originally Posted by oldgrognard
The ratio of KIA to WIA is more a factor of advances in evacuation and early trauma care than equipment.


That probably factors in for sure but wwii and vietnam didnt have any real protection other than a tin helmet.


Flak vests were pretty common issue in Vietnam, they only protected the torso against shell splinters but that’s more than previous infantry had. Add in plentiful medevac to real hospitals, not just field hospitals, and you’d think the survival numbers would be higher. That may be in part due to how difficult it is to create an LZ in jungle or mountainous terrain.


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#4423999 - 06/01/18 05:23 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: No Fear]  
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LOL, I wore a Vietnam era flak vest all through Desert Shield/Storm:

[Linked Image]

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And yes, under all that sand and dust it is in fact Woodland camo. wink

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#4424010 - 06/01/18 06:04 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: No Fear]  
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This is the Vietnam flak vest like we were issued when I got to Korea in 1989.

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The one you have on is its replacement, designed at the same time as the Kevlar helmet. We got those when I got back to the states and deployed to Saudi from Ft Stewart.


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#4424046 - 06/01/18 08:31 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: No Fear]  
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I've seen the amount of protection a flack vest gave in Viet Nam..Not top of the line but better than an olive drab shirt ..I've seen them shredded with the man left with what were minor wounds..It's true the weight of a soldiers kit adds up with extra ammo and extra batteries for the radio but I'm sure those are lighter today...I humped a pack plus a prc-25 and the guys carried extra batteries for me...so what is called standard falls by the way side when you head out into Indian country,,Really there is no standard each unit kind of sets it's own SOP and goes with it


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The vest shown in my picture was not protective against ballistics in any way, shape or form.


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#4424069 - 06/01/18 10:23 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: No Fear]  
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#4424077 - 06/01/18 11:13 PM Re: How accurate is this? [Re: rwatson]  
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Originally Posted by rwatson
It's true the weight of a soldiers kit adds up with extra ammo and extra batteries for the radio but I'm sure those are lighter today


You know how it goes, a piece of gear that weighs 10lb is replaced by one that weighs 5, and then you’re given a brand new thing that weighs 8lb to carry.


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