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#4422948 - 05/27/18 03:32 PM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Dondy]  
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I did not think we were disagreeing on anything, like I said, I knew you would be a perfect customer for FC4, or rather any FC-level aircraft they put out. Additional FC-level aircraft is a good idea. It is the selection of which aircraft to implement is what makes it banghead


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#4423006 - 05/27/18 11:54 PM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Dondy]  
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they are going to select probably the A-10C, F-5E, L-39 and F-18C - maybe it is not a bad thing, unfortunately I'll have to skip FC4 as well , due to lack of tree time.


#4423022 - 05/28/18 01:10 AM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Originally Posted by Tom_Weiss
due to lack of tree time.

Is that a joke or a typo? biggrin

I don't think the Hornet will be in FC4, too early. Most likely the Viggen, F-5, M-2000, and possibly a helo.


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#4423027 - 05/28/18 01:35 AM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Dondy]  
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from what I read it will be only those models the developer made.

#4423030 - 05/28/18 02:06 AM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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And none have Air to Ground radar. Hmm.

#4423078 - 05/28/18 10:39 AM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Dondy]  
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I don't think we'll be having an A-G radar for a good while yet frown


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#4423080 - 05/28/18 10:44 AM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: SinCityJet]  
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the Hormuz add on took close to 4 years since it was announced

http://www.lockonfiles.com/forums/topic/39963-dcsw-new-map-revealed/?tab=comments#comment-310327

and DCS WWII after what, 5 years ? has still not delivered neither the P-47D nor the Me262 while the F/A-18 main feature AFAIK won't be part of its early release, all these new modules take years from being announced to being released or 100% complete.

so no reason to be so heat up about what will be included and we should not expect FC4 to be around any time soon.

Originally Posted by SinCityJet
And none have Air to Ground radar. Hmm.


I don't expect any to have - at least not for 5-10 years.

#4423207 - 05/29/18 12:51 AM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Jetronic]  
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Eh? i don't even!

So ED in another masterstroke of decision making, are going to cannibalize their own sales! Competing against themselves, Friggin' Jenius with a capital J (no not a g).

What a bunch of retards.


Don't see what you mean...the Air Quakers and hardcore simmers are different markets.


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#4423237 - 05/29/18 07:55 AM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Boomer]  
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Originally Posted by Jetronic
Eh? i don't even!

So ED in another masterstroke of decision making, are going to cannibalize their own sales! Competing against themselves, Friggin' Jenius with a capital J (no not a g).

What a bunch of retards.


Don't see what you mean...the Air Quakers and hardcore simmers are different markets.

Same server though.

#4423259 - 05/29/18 12:41 PM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Dondy]  
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Same server = same market. At this point the 'hard core' simmers just become startupwhiners.


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#4423335 - 05/29/18 07:46 PM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Dondy]  
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Yeah, let's bash the people who are serious about this hobby and call them whiners. That's the way to continue the hobby; alienate the hard core fans.


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#4423339 - 05/29/18 07:55 PM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Originally Posted by GrayGhost
Same server = same market. At this point the 'hard core' simmers just become startupwhiners.

Do you know why shooters don't mix console gamepad with mouse and keyboard players?

#4423341 - 05/29/18 08:15 PM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Frederf]  
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Originally Posted by Frederf
Originally Posted by GrayGhost
Same server = same market. At this point the 'hard core' simmers just become startupwhiners.

Do you know why shooters don't mix console gamepad with mouse and keyboard players?


popcorn popcorn popcorn


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#4423344 - 05/29/18 08:18 PM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Frederf]  
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Originally Posted by Frederf
Originally Posted by Boomer
Originally Posted by Jetronic
Eh? i don't even!

So ED in another masterstroke of decision making, are going to cannibalize their own sales! Competing against themselves, Friggin' Jenius with a capital J (no not a g).

What a bunch of retards.


Don't see what you mean...the Air Quakers and hardcore simmers are different markets.

Same server though.


Unfortunately so.


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#4423623 - 05/31/18 04:05 AM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Frederf]  
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I don't know, is it because it would turn everyone into somethingwhiners?

Originally Posted by Frederf
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Same server = same market. At this point the 'hard core' simmers just become startupwhiners.

Do you know why shooters don't mix console gamepad with mouse and keyboard players?


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#4423644 - 05/31/18 07:50 AM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Originally Posted by GrayGhost
I don't know, is it because it would turn everyone into somethingwhiners?

Do you seriously, genuinely not know or are you just side-stepping the question?


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#4423683 - 05/31/18 12:38 PM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: - Ice]  
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I'm poking fun at 'You'. biggrin

Originally Posted by - Ice
Do you seriously, genuinely not know or are you just side-stepping the question?


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#4423703 - 05/31/18 02:09 PM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Dondy]  
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By acting stupid?? By reinforcing the fact that some people side-step the question once backed into the corner by logic?


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#4423749 - 05/31/18 05:08 PM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Originally Posted by Tom_Weiss
they are going to select probably the A-10C, F-5E, L-39 and F-18C - maybe it is not a bad thing, unfortunately I'll have to skip FC4 as well , due to lack of tree time.




Counter guess:

-A-10C
-L-39
-F-18C
-Black Shark

^all are first party modules. Bundling the third party products could get messy down the road. Will be interested to see if third parties take this approach as well though.

Plus, WH and BS already have 'game' avionics and flight models. So, basically half the FC level 'down grade' is done.

Taking a glass half-full view: a nice and (presumably) affordable way to attract fresh blood to the scene. This isn't for customers they have, it's for ones that want. Re-packaging current assets is a lot more affordable from a resource stand point than 'starting from scratch.' If they use this as a chance to build in new platform features (eg. Dynamic campaign), then they'll likely get the current crowd riled up again.

Still, agreed on being disappointed at these being current modules, versus broaching into new territory.




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#4423780 - 05/31/18 06:00 PM Re: Flaming Cliffs 4 [Re: Dondy]  
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I have kind of a mixed feeling over the FC aircraft. On the one hand I like being able to get up to speed fairly quickly, on the other hand I find myself wishing they had just a few switches that were clickable just so everything wouldn't need to be mapped or programmed into voice attack, especially since I fly VR only. That being said, I typically don't go through the full start-up and shut down procedures instead I tend to fill in the gaps on the auto-start to get the vehicle setup the way I want it. I have taken the time to learn the start-ups on several of the easier vehicles (L39, WW2 birds, F-5, Huey, F86), I just don't tend to use them. I also have spent serious time in only one of the FC3 vehicles, F-15....which I enjoyed immensely. Since I tend to use the autostart and do enjoy learning how to use the weapons/nav systems in a practical sense....I don't see myself purchasing light versions of modules I already have or have learned.

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