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#4423209 - 05/29/18 01:00 AM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: ricnunes]  
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Originally Posted by ricnunes
Answering to the OP's question:

NO, I am NOT going to buy it! (neither the Hornet and neither the map)


P.S. - This is a Hornet fan "speaking"


If you are truly a big Hornet fan as I am, I can't possibly fathom why you wouldn't get this.


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#4423210 - 05/29/18 01:05 AM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: Paradaz]  
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Originally Posted by Paradaz
Eh, I think it had been decimated before my reply. We can all see why ED continue to release unfinished crap with no intent to ever iron out bugs or actually finish what they start.......what's the point anyway? the customers are happy to keep funding this mechanism and will clearly buy anything they care to release.

The vicious circle will forever continue. I'm not sure if it's people being gullible, stupid, blissfully ignorant or something else.


Those are 3d party products, the Hornet is in house.


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#4423214 - 05/29/18 02:07 AM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: Boomer]  
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Originally Posted by Boomer
The Hornet is a ED in house project set to become their seminal acievement and flagship product....of course it will be finished.


In 5-8, they will get there...

#4423235 - 05/29/18 07:28 AM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: Boomer]  
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Originally Posted by Boomer
The Hornet is a ED in house project set to become their seminal acievement and flagship product....of course it will be finished.


You’re probably correct, but.......

Which century/decade will it be ‘finished’ with full functionality of the promised sensors and weapons?
Which unfinished map will you choose to use it on?
Which server will you select in order to experience the horribly broken multiplayer?


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#4423243 - 05/29/18 09:14 AM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: BigDuke6]  
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Big hornet fan here....no! no way buying ALPHA product. If and when the product will be finished i might buy it but only if the whole DCS world has improved a bit of its sterility.

DCS falls under combat material but if the combat experience itself is pretty poor, which is one of the worst i had experience with, i see no reason to invest on it, reason why i still stick to BMS. For anything else there are XP and P3D.

Other than a quick launch just to check what has changed, i haven't played with DCS in about 2 years because every time was the same:

1 Buy a new aircraft
2 Learn the aircraft
3 Come across bugs (not always) and/or unfinished features
4 Finish the training phase
5 Launch some combat scenario (eg. campaign)
6 Remind how sterile and unreplayable is DCS and ALL OF ITS CAMPAIGNS
6.a Remind missiles flight model JOKE
7 Try the aircraft in multiplayer
8 Remind how even more sterile the multiplayer is
9 Tell myself how awesome it would be if only the combat environment was not a joke
10 Run back to BMS/XP cursing myself for wasting money

Last module i bought was nevada map and the included A-10/F-15 campaigns.

PS: Obviously everything is subject to drastic change in case of drastic EULA changes.

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#4423263 - 05/29/18 12:49 PM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: BigDuke6]  
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I don't know anything about DCSW gameplay - never having tried it, but I believe what you wrote is how DCS is perceived as I've seen others post the same thing many many times.

What I find odd is how little effect the Hormuz map and the F-18 has had so far, if it were not for a few people that post in several forums there would be hardly anyone noticing it.

#4423271 - 05/29/18 01:08 PM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: BigDuke6]  
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This was posted on another forum,

Gonna have to buy that one now as well sigh!

But I agree with others WW2 map is a bit of a letdown, doesent seem to have been much effort put into it.

That said I really think the DCS developers are good, they respond promptly and politely on the forums and really do seem to listen and work hard to fix and improve problems.

People need to give them a break and be a little more understanding as to the scale of the mammoth undertaking they have taken on. And its not perfect but performance has improved lately (damage models no longer lag game I dont think) and even the colors seem to have been toned down a bit. What they are doing now will take the game into the future, when our PC's performance (VR) catches up, DCS will be epic...


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#4423281 - 05/29/18 01:29 PM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: BigDuke6]  
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well ... lets hope it all turns OK and all these new add ons are a huge success.

#4423294 - 05/29/18 02:34 PM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
This was posted on another forum,

Gonna have to buy that one now as well sigh!

But I agree with others WW2 map is a bit of a letdown, doesent seem to have been much effort put into it.

That said I really think the DCS developers are good, they respond promptly and politely on the forums and really do seem to listen and work hard to fix and improve problems.

People need to give them a break and be a little more understanding as to the scale of the mammoth undertaking they have taken on. And its not perfect but performance has improved lately (damage models no longer lag game I dont think) and even the colors seem to have been toned down a bit. What they are doing now will take the game into the future, when our PC's performance (VR) catches up, DCS will be epic...


Today's PC's are more than capable of running DCS. The problem is ED and their incompetence.


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#4423314 - 05/29/18 06:00 PM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: BigDuke6]  
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Not buying the Hornet or the map simply because I'm not interested in this particular airplane, or the theater of ops for that matter. I've been following the project though, as it seems to have a profound effect on the rest of the franchise. Development of my preferable WWII project already came almost to a screeching halt (Normandy update that came with v 2.5.2 is a very welcomed bonus, but a bit too little too late). In recent months I've got the impression that all ED have been in this desperate "all hands on deck" mode for their new glorious flagship, while improvements of all the rest are only dripping down slowly. Good for the F-18 lovers I guess and I'm sure ED will try to make it feature complete as fast as possible, but that makes me really concerned about upcoming half of the year at least, from the point of view of other aircraft and maps user.

#4423326 - 05/29/18 07:11 PM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: Paradaz]  
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Originally Posted by Boomer
The Hornet is a ED in house project set to become their seminal acievement and flagship product....of course it will be finished.

The question is "when"? Will it even be 2 years from release? A-A radar modes not complete yet; God only knows where they are with their A-G radar progress. What happens if ED gets one or two private contracts between now and when the Hornet will be finished? For something that is supposed to be a very in-demand airframe, they seem to be content in putting it out in such a poor state of feature implementation just to get a few bucks in their pocket early.


Originally Posted by Boomer
If you are truly a big Hornet fan as I am, I can't possibly fathom why you wouldn't get this.

Being a fan and blind purchases are two different things. If it were any other developer making the Hornet, I bet the sentiment would be very, very, VERY different wink


Originally Posted by Boomer
Those are 3d party products, the Hornet is in house.

And so is DCS 2.5.... biggrin


Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
People need to give them a break and be a little more understanding as to the scale of the mammoth undertaking they have taken on. And its not perfect but performance has improved lately (damage models no longer lag game I dont think) and even the colors seem to have been toned down a bit. What they are doing now will take the game into the future, when our PC's performance (VR) catches up, DCS will be epic...

And whose fault is it that their undertaking is mammoth? Whose fault is it that they move on to the next project while barely finishing the previous one? Yet again, shifting the blame away from ED, and then trying to give ED credit today for what it will be/might be in the future.


Originally Posted by Tom_Weiss
well ... lets hope it all turns OK and all these new add ons are a huge success.

DCS 2.5 was their biggest chance to blow people's socks off but they fumbled even that, so not really optimistic on the Hornet.


Originally Posted by Paradaz
Today's PC's are more than capable of running DCS. The problem is ED and their incompetence.

No, the problem is that people don't have 64GB RAM in their machines!! biggrin biggrin biggrin


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#4423338 - 05/29/18 07:54 PM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: BigDuke6]  
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I'll buy it, or not, when it's done if it's worth the price at that time. Wake me then.

#4423343 - 05/29/18 08:16 PM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: Frederf]  
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Originally Posted by Frederf
I'll buy it, or not, when it's done if it's worth the price at that time. Wake me then.

I'll tell your grandkids to do so! biggrin biggrin


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#4423345 - 05/29/18 08:21 PM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: BigDuke6]  
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Frankly IMHO, the ED WW2 business is a complete waste of resources.


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#4423350 - 05/29/18 08:48 PM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: Boomer]  
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Frankly IMHO, the ED WW2 business is a complete waste of resources.

I'm sure the fans of WWII feels the same way about modern aircraft biggrin


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#4423363 - 05/29/18 09:37 PM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: BigDuke6]  
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So far, really happy with Persian Gulf purchase. Great performance, looks awesome. Lets see how the Hornet drop goes tomorrow.

#4423384 - 05/30/18 12:15 AM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice
Originally Posted by Boomer
Frankly IMHO, the ED WW2 business is a complete waste of resources.

I'm sure the fans of WWII feels the same way about modern aircraft biggrin


No doubt but they have their cod servers.


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#4423386 - 05/30/18 12:29 AM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: BigDuke6]  
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Sorry, you lost me on that one.


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#4423388 - 05/30/18 12:34 AM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice
Sorry, you lost me on that one.


Do you know what a codpiece is?


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
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#4423389 - 05/30/18 01:01 AM Re: Purchase F-18/Persian Gulf? [Re: BigDuke6]  
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Unfortunately, yes.


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