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#4418548 - 05/01/18 06:55 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted by Paradaz
Forum? The definition of a forum is "a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged"
I don't know what to call it these days, but forum is most certainly not one one of the words I'd use. I used to call it a message board, but the censorship doesn't even qualify that. What a bunch of administrative......

It's still a forum of sorts, it's just that the forum encourages a certain idea or view and any other idea/view that deviates from that is actively purged from the forum smile Snowflake protection --- but if this exists only for the English forum, then the devs aren't the snowflakes, or at least not the non-English devs.


Originally Posted by Sobek
Utter BS. The state of the English forum is not the doing of the russian speaking parts of ED, you can take my word on that.

This has been echoed a few times. Interesting. How much of the powers-that-be and/or devs of ED are Russian? Surely the Russian side is not completely unaware of the shenanigans going on in the English side?


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#4418553 - 05/01/18 08:08 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Another post from these failures to add to the thread....

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More so the "I haven't seen it and neither have the dev team.

Good thing I haven't updated to the latest patch.....BAWK (no that is not a spelling mistake) won't even Install and the last thing I want ED doing is shutting me down with an update so I can not roll back and then no longer able to continue on this thread.
Could be a conspiracy theory here gents. ED release an update, old mate Winfield here updates and ED pull the roll backs and at the same VEAFAIL pull out of development of the BAWK.

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The Great Circus of VEAFAIL use this statement almost as often as every other 3rd party developer when bugs pop up "it's not our day job we do this in our spare time" yet the countless time Chris has stated "It was working last time I checked"

Pathetic

If this was posted over at ED it would be deemed 'off topic" I dispute that claim, as this has everything to do with the 'damage model' that VEAFAIL have put forward to the consumer. How much more damage can VEAO do to their reputation as 'developer's? When it comes to the 'damage model' it is far better than anything ED\TFC\Belsimtek could produce.

#4418555 - 05/01/18 08:31 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Look at the "hype" these bunch of clowns generated.....Look at their previous coder.....the new one they have can't even pick up from where the last one left. (Now it's a complete re-code of the BAWK and it is still a farce)

It get's better and better for the "damage model"

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We now have less than what we had when Tango left.

Does the competition still stand?? I can name a few things that have not been modeled even after 6+ years of development.....let me start with the Gun pod.

** Note, rather than create numerous posts tonight, I will just update as the night progresses***

And then there is this post from one our own respected members, pity it was not posted in this very thread for other 3rd party developers to see but I am comfortable that word has got around over the last few years that the ' other 3rd party developers ' are learning from VEAFAIL's mistakes.

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The source for further inspirational posts

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Let me see what is still broken to this day.....

"Flaps and gear down now effect flight model" - load of crap, I have proven this with a missing wing with flaps and gear down. Nose wheel missing has no bearing on the flight model

"Smoke pods"....non existent

"Aden gun pod will hopefully have it's texture by patch day." - the pod is completely missing.

"Aden sounds we are waiting on feedback for" - I have not tested as previously stated.....if it is missing, it is non existent

"Rudder sensitivity has been tweaked and is currently being tested" - Don't notice any difference from when I cranked up this POS 2 years ago so no change here

"DFM (Damage flight model) is being worked on following feedback from ED" - still is a sad state of affairs, it is a hit and miss as to what will be damaged when running into vehicles numerous times

"NTTR map ILS for airfields is being tested" - No idea....probably still BAWKed

"Controls indicator (RCtrl+Enter) is being tested." No idea, is this even a thing in any real aircraft?? do real aircraft show this feature on the HUD, Don't reply...it is a sarcastic response

**

Here have a go at this happy consumer of VEAFAIL that Pman mentioned in an earlier quote. The response from 9Lies is.....well expected.

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Yes Pete.....of those 10's of thousands...that were are happy "back in the day" those 10's of thousands want their money back.

Another "satisfied" customer from 12 months prior

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#4418556 - 05/01/18 08:38 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice
Surely the Russian side is not completely unaware of the shenanigans going on in the English side?


Unaware, no but the English forum is governed by the English speaking members. The Russian forum is much more laid back.

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#4418557 - 05/01/18 08:43 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted by Sobek
Originally Posted by - Ice
Surely the Russian side is not completely unaware of the shenanigans going on in the English side?


Unaware, no but the English forum is governed by the English speaking members. The Russian forum is much more laid back.


Until 9Lies learns Russian.....

#4418578 - 05/01/18 11:18 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted by Sobek
Unaware, no but the English forum is governed by the English speaking members. The Russian forum is much more laid back.

And are they laughing at the English forums just as we are? Are they not worried about the name-tarnishing that is happening on the English forums?


Winfield, can you please tell ST0RM and Ramstein to stop complaining about bugs because "it's a beta"? I'm quite sure they'll fully understand and will be happy with that response smile


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#4418591 - 05/01/18 12:22 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Hahaha, got the message Ice. I'll remain mum...

Yep, I wanted to see what might have changed with the Hawk. But it wouldn't install, nor would either PMan or Ells offer a proper solution. So I'm done with it and VEAO. If the RAF are using their work, God help them.

Sadly, they along with a few other of the 3rd party devs have not lived up to any hype and produced a respectable module. They throw around the word "patience" when people inquire as to the status of their long overdue releases. Like its our fault they wont put in the time.

#4418593 - 05/01/18 12:45 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: ST0RM]  
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Originally Posted by ST0RM
Hahaha, got the message Ice. I'll remain mum...

Yep, I wanted to see what might have changed with the Hawk. But it wouldn't install, nor would either PMan or Ells offer a proper solution. So I'm done with it and VEAO. If the RAF are using their work, God help them.

Sadly, they along with a few other of the 3rd party devs have not lived up to any hype and produced a respectable module. They throw around the word "patience" when people inquire as to the status of their long overdue releases. Like its our fault they wont put in the time.



6+ years of development and not even the developers have a clue on what is going on with the install......wait for it......."last time I checked it was working".......and then the whole. "it was working in the dev branch" and last year it was "development is on hold because ED's 2.0 branch changes we are not able to compete with in terms of development so we have shut up shop, moved onto a more stable branch which is Dovetails Flight Sim World"

Meanwhile in the news feature of FSW it was publicly stated from Dovetail themselves that "we are working on the release of our 1st jet trainer aircraft" put 2 and 2 together and you have VEAFAIL DCS version and VEAFAIL Dovetail version. Out of respect, the consumers who invested in this POS should get a free upgrade to BluSky's Dovetail release of this bugged POS since the refund policy states that refunds will only be considered by the developer if it was purchased on the now defunct VEAFAIL store page.

Dovetail.....stick to trains, cut ties with these bunch of stem bashers

#4418599 - 05/01/18 01:06 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted by ST0RM
Hahaha, got the message Ice. I'll remain mum...

No offense intended, buddy! I hope you got the humor/irony! smile


Originally Posted by Winfield
Dovetail.....stick to trains, cut ties with these bunch of stem bashers

Moot point.
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#4418678 - 05/01/18 09:31 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice
Originally Posted by ST0RM
Hahaha, got the message Ice. I'll remain mum...

No offense intended, buddy! I hope you got the humor/irony! smile


Originally Posted by Winfield
Dovetail.....stick to trains, cut ties with these bunch of stem bashers

Moot point.
Read This!


Thank you Ice for shedding some light on the matter.

Originally Posted by Dovetail
Unfortunately, after many detailed discussions, we regrettably don’t see a clear direction that will allow us to keep to the development time we’d want, alongside the player numbers we need.


It could be said that "player numbers dropped severely once word got around that VEAFAIL were developing the Bawk for FSW....Given VEAFAIL's track record with their POS and the large drop in player numbers after the statement, development for FSW became unsustainable.

Who knew that VEAFAIL could possibly be the cause for the closure of FSW?

#4418705 - 05/01/18 11:54 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by ST0RM
Hahaha, got the message Ice. I'll remain mum...

No offense intended, buddy! I hope you got the humor/irony! smile


Oh yes. No offense taken at all. cheers

#4418741 - 05/02/18 02:40 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted by Winfield
How much more damage can VEAO do to their reputation as 'developer's? When it comes to the 'damage model' it is far better than anything ED\TFC\Belsimtek could produce.


This +1000. Anyone who takes VEAO as a serious producer anymore should consider a frontal lobotomy. Even IF I do ever receive the P40 I pre purchased from them on 07/02/2015, I have a sneaky feeling it may


just Suck! On a postive note, by the time they get around to releasing it I may have a new rig with 64Gbs of Ram so I can actually see if it sucks or not. I am trying to keep an open mind at this point. rolleyes
I am wondering if VEAO can Smell, Taste, See and Feel the Sarcasm here??? whenpigsfly Probably the smartest thing for them to do is just lock the VEAO thread altogether and just post their updates now and again and allow no feedback. yep

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#4418753 - 05/02/18 06:50 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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According to Froogle, Dovetail wanted 30% from 3rd parties developing for FSW. If that is true, then adding the 30% cut from Steam would have left 3rd party devs with 40% of their products retail price. It would seem that Dovetail priced FSW out of the market for support by 3rd parties.

So, while VEAO may not have the most stellar reputation, putting the blame for the cancellation of FSW on them is really a bit much.

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Originally Posted by Sobek
According to Froogle, Dovetail wanted 30% from 3rd parties developing for FSW. If that is true, then adding the 30% cut from Steam would have left 3rd party devs with 40% of their products retail price. It would seem that Dovetail priced FSW out of the market for support by 3rd parties.


Have you got a source reference? It was my understanding Froogle died out 10 years ago. Why is it relevant to use data from defunct source of information?

#4418757 - 05/02/18 07:23 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Have you got a source reference? It was my understanding Froogle died out 10 years ago. Why is it relevant to use data from defunct source of information?


Froogle, not Frugal.

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#4418761 - 05/02/18 08:25 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Blade_Meister]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_Meister
Even IF I do ever receive the P40 I pre purchased from them on 07/02/2015

That's what's wrong with epople nowadays! They want to thave the things they buy immediately! Now! Now! Me! Me! Don't you guys know these things take time? Come back in 10 years! For the beta version.
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Originally Posted by - Ice
Originally Posted by Blade_Meister
Even IF I do ever receive the P40 I pre purchased from them on 07/02/2015

That's what's wrong with epople nowadays! They want to thave the things they buy immediately! Now! Now! Me! Me! Don't you guys know these things take time? Come back in 10 years! For the beta version.
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Well, while I am at it, ME, Me, Me, Now, Now, Now, I am wondering whether I will be alive to see the likes of the P47 and Me262 from the Normandy 1944 Kick Starter debacle. Then again, I do need some time to save the $ to build that new Rig to be able to actually use DCS with a decent frame rate. sigh And to think, I am a "Baby Boomer", how have I succumbed to these instant gratification desires? I digress, 10 years is reasonable? hahaha

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#4418840 - 05/02/18 05:44 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Blade_Meister]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_Meister
I am wondering whether I will be alive to see the likes of the P47 and Me262 from the Normandy 1944 Kick Starter debacle.

We might still be alive at that point.... barely. smile


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So now we know that these bunch of failures next venture recently collapsed like the Hawk code and every other excuse VEAFAIL throw out

Anyone of the few here left that are not banned able to ask what their next venture with a "primary platform" is is? best to not mention Dovetail or FSW directly......we wouldn't want to break the rules now.

Ask them in this thread here if you could. I am keen to see the reply.

Don't you just love the way Pete makes the company out be like they are on par with shareholders in the likes of Microsoft\Sansung\Apple etc etc. Only 1 person in this collapsed company works full time. The rest all "have day jobs" and it's a "hobby"

what invester would pour money into a company that only has 1 full time employee??

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