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#4418065 - 04/27/18 08:53 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Frederf]  
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Originally Posted by Frederf
I assume the least effort to technically comply with the statement, e.g. aileron deflection from 0-100% gives a force from 0-100%. Now you want functional dependency that aileron only works if wing is still attached? Wasn't part of the spec.

I cannot stop laughing at this one. It's not part of the spec in a COMBAT FLIGHT SIMULATOR??
Someon please remind me what "DCS" stands for?


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#4418066 - 04/27/18 08:57 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: cichlidfan]  
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Originally Posted by cichlidfan
The problem described here is mostly due to the visual damage model not coinciding with the the flight model. I am not trying to defend ED/VEAO but I do see how the details of damage would be difficult to model with regards to the flight model. There is not an easy way to model how the aircraft will fly with x amount of damage to the aircraft.

Well, it seems like it's not been modelled at all if you watch Winfield's video! smile


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#4418070 - 04/27/18 09:27 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice
Originally Posted by cichlidfan
The problem described here is mostly due to the visual damage model not coinciding with the the flight model. I am not trying to defend ED/VEAO but I do see how the details of damage would be difficult to model with regards to the flight model. There is not an easy way to model how the aircraft will fly with x amount of damage to the aircraft.

Well, it seems like it's not been modelled at all if you watch Winfield's video! smile


Ice, it looks like cichlidfan carefully worded it as to avoid 1.13 which is clearly active even after removal from the 'official' forums. (NOTE TO OTHER'S: look in the 2.5 thread release.....it's still active)

Gents, I found this upload posted 2 days after I began this thread 2 years ago (VEAFAIL was in damage control at the time).

I am posting it here for reference as some opinions within this thread differ greatly on this module.....check out the cockpit in the video which I will refer to in a couple of days time as I carry on with this review.
Amazing to think that the comments around the same time as this video was made, the fanboi's over at ED were thanking VEAFAIL for such an authentic looking cockpit.


#4418072 - 04/27/18 10:04 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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2 years on....these dodgy devs have learnt nothing

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VEAFAIL still do not test their aircraft before releases.....let's see if this unfolds in the same was as the Aden sound post from 2 years ago.

Watch this space

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Before someone chimes in "what about when it leaves the ground" .....already tested that, no Aden gun pod visible..

Can't be fkd even seeing if the sound works as IMO if the pod is not visible, than it is non existent.

However....let's see how long it takes for VEAFAIL to actually test and report on this issue. it was 9 hours with the aden sounds before Chris actually opened DCS and saw this for himself at the very start of this thread.....has the PR manager learnt anything from 2 years ago???? time will tell.


#4418212 - 04/28/18 06:49 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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E in EFM means external. All this means is the calculations are done not by the A- or S-FM ED-made architectures. The range of fidelity is the widest with EFM from superior to tragic. While FM is an important part of a flight sim, systems modeling is the lion's share of the product. Most of the aspects of the sim you name: radios, displays, animations, engine, hydraulics, radars, weapons, sounds are all systems and not part of the FM.

#4418332 - 04/29/18 04:23 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Amazing avionics is great but I wonder how you feel if you've just lost a wing and are still flying roughly straight-and-level? Avionics is one aspect of a simulation, FM is another aspect, eye candy is yet another aspect. Superior avionics have no bearing or effect on shoddy FM and damage modelling.


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#4418357 - 04/29/18 07:29 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Hawk competence (in descending order): Visuals, FM, SM. Hawk's SM makes their FM seem world-class.

#4418358 - 04/29/18 07:31 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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SM? Sensor modelling?


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#4418399 - 04/30/18 02:06 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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#4418419 - 04/30/18 07:22 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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#4418423 - 04/30/18 08:27 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: theOden]  
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Originally Posted by theOden


Saved a few screen grabs for future reference for this thread smile

As it's been deleted now....Here is what was said

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And the as expected 'pathetic' response

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Old mate probably copped a ban however if he sticks his head here in these forums, make him feel welcome Gents.

#4418427 - 04/30/18 09:24 AM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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No surprise here smile
I enjoyed post #7 in response to pman regarding multicrew and old feature list, will attach here later when I get back home (I too did printscreen the whole thread since I know how ED runs).

#4418442 - 04/30/18 12:14 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Love this when clicking on the link, Invalid Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator

Notify an admin. hahaha hahaha hahaha



Yup, Posting Rights Suspended

Last edited by KraziKanuK; 04/30/18 12:26 PM.

There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4418461 - 04/30/18 02:56 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Nice to see things still haven't changed over there on the "respectable" forum!

"Despite your tone...."
Tell me of one other business that responds to customer complaints like this?


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#4418467 - 04/30/18 04:03 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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Here is the second last post that probably made them decide to remove the thread.
In my opinion, once they decide to answer the post, bad tone or not smile , they should keep the thread.
As always, weak.

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#4418484 - 04/30/18 06:40 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Winfield]  
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I read that post in the usual way and thought "hmm, tough but fair. Good that no one went ape since this is what everyone is thinking anyway." Then they went ape. Typical Soviets.

#4418492 - 04/30/18 08:20 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: - Ice]  
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Originally Posted by - Ice
Nice to see things still haven't changed over there on the "respectable" forum!


Forum? The definition of a forum is "a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged"

I don't know what to call it these days, but forum is most certainly not one one of the words I'd use. I used to call it a message board, but the censorship doesn't even qualify that. What a bunch of administrative......

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#4418493 - 04/30/18 08:36 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Frederf]  
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Originally Posted by Frederf
Typical Soviets.


Utter BS. The state of the English forum is not the doing of the russian speaking parts of ED, you can take my word on that.

#4418514 - 04/30/18 11:15 PM Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted by Sobek
Originally Posted by Frederf
Typical Soviets.


Utter BS. The state of the English forum is not the doing of the russian speaking parts of ED, you can take my word on that.


I tend to agree. It is 9lies and his boss.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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But I just took a trip to the dumpster. I don't want to go again.

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