The planned crash went well I didn’t die lol I needed to observe them with out too many things going on however right side up would have been nice lmao
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so this video is only for accessing how skilled were the AI because the vast amount of players were complaining so they released a patch then another then yet another to the point that we fly with AI who had a lobotomy
[/s]24pt]so blue AI were carefully designed for this flight to be almost Ace
The red AL were not even looked at and so were probable rated average you can study their weaknesses
And adjust them to your liking for this past or future missions A A A so as video’s go this one is not meant to be entertaining It’s meant to show that we had an excellent AI who is gone now You would need to watch the whole as to be able to make your own decidion
AI was broken in 2011 really ? I think not
A Scaving Report
So this is game version 1.0 ..13954.....I think the next patch gave us an digital compass for the 109 jeez
So as you can see the AI were quite not the bumbling inept unable to FOLLOW ?
(that was failures of players to properly set orders in skills AI
they could not take orders but even with me A Injured and my wingman possibly dead RIP the remaining #4 aircraft continued the fight and finally returning to base fuel leak possibly, out of ammo or engine damage who knows lol I was able to watch though injured could not see my wing man’s condition finally # 4 returning he didn’t hit a tree
he didn’t hit the terain he inflicted damage on atleast one bad guy plane and I could have stayed and watched if bad guy AI was able to set her down somewhere and walk away
#4 he fought well and I was so proud on his SAFE landing not a Uber ace or pussy for sure
This game had on-line difficulty but nothing that could not be fixed
,,back to AI for a minute do you see my flight’s take off (or my attempt lol
so anyway I crashed injured but not badly so I decide to let the mission continue and just hang out and watch with a beer ( thankyou dear)
So what do we have here a fantastic game ruined by mass complaints
finally MADDOX being set adrift by 1C
So in a antipatation of Oleg’s & Luither (who also got a bum rap
I invested a lot of money so that I would be ready when Oleg was
Most people did not plan ahead so their trying to play the game with original IL-2 ERA PC’s. REALLY Guys lol
So that being a lot of noise back then 7 yaars gone
So where is the game now well TF did a good job with what was left of it
But not even close to the original game
So for those of you pilots who still are enjoying this game version I Salute you for being prepared all those 7 years ago
Oleg & Luither (a fine good man) were hated and scorned to the point that 1C wanting this all to go away set Oleg adrift. CRAZY
So is there anything that could be done ?
Only if 1C still has a copy of the original code and wants to go through that again
Some of you sharper guys may be impressed with my #4’s conserving ammo
short burst and made some realistic hits no magic bull it’s AI if i May say these AI were clearly the best out there
If you had seen what I did these 7 years you wouldd have many fond memories
My missions are incredibly exciting dangerous fun well you get it
The conserving ammo is from assigning higher intelligence to AI
so the game is gone I guess all of us didn’t handle our complaints very well and wound up Killing the sim crazy right
but anyway this game I have will never be equaled and will get better with hardware upgrades
No WW II future sims can hope to better Oleg!s dream and creation you too Luither hope you are well
K Summary and conclusion
So the truth we screwed up and destroyed the sim/game My suggestion is to seek out this patch numbered game
buy a nice rig
try off-line it can be crazy fun
Fly on-line if rig is good enough
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
Your wingman is fighting OK, but that Hurricane behavior as if are doing a cruise flight following waypoint's and not with someone shooting at their six. An typical CloD flaw.
Your wingman is fighting OK, but that Hurricane behavior as if are doing a cruise flight following waypoint's and not with someone shooting at their six. An typical CloD flaw.
it that very important to you ?.. So you are on-liner
again it depends on mission builder
what if any skills did I give bad guy AI when
making that mission
It’s important but depends what behavior you are looking for in bad guy AL
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
I probably was but remember that video is at least
2 years old
but I will guess that I wanted bad guys to be rookie’s and they were lmfao 🛬
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
Your wingman is fighting OK, but that Hurricane behavior as if are doing a cruise flight following waypoint's and not with someone shooting at their six. An typical CloD flaw.
Sokol1 Keep in mind we do not have any information
as to the health of bad AI or his aircraft on what you are seeing
Could it be loss of one of these that you are seeing
Clearly in the end he just wanted to get out of there,,Yes ?
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
Surely they can continue the mission if leader is forced or should
I say not participating in the battle
I don’t see what Sokol1 see’s I see a very aggressive bad AI
See as #4 was forced to break for home
(Properly low fuel from that leak)
how bad AI aggressively persues him
Seriously guys these AI were the best
Of any flight sims but all the complaints
Led to patches that wound up ruining AI
And so that was the end of a very
Enjoyable smart aggressive AI
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
To me you are seeing only one side of the coin, at same time your wingman are good, the enemy is bad.
I know that tuning AI skills in FMB - what is not option for all players, should be sliders or selection in mission/QM options, improve this (rookie and ace default skills should not be used at all) - but only at certain degree, remain the fact that during "Normal flight" waypoint legs AI is "blind" of enemy presence/attacks.
Anyway TFS promise AI revisions for TF 5.0 DLC, and engage a person who work in IL-2:46 TD AI patches - what result in the best AI of IL-2 series.
After CloD disastrous "release" in 2011 90% of players just try for "15 minutes" that bad done QM - has only 2/3 waypoints, skill in rookie, average and ace, what result in highlight the problem, and go complain (not without reason). Besides the complete broken AI commands at time, see how are the original (no functional):
Orders- most non functional, in internal files:
order----------------------------------"Radio message" order Target_From_Task Target From Task order All All order Fighters Fighters order Bombers Bombers order My_Target_Type My Target Type (by viewport) order My_Target My Target (by viewport) order Back Back order Attack Attack order Cover Cover order Air_Targets Air Targets order Tanks Tanks order Flak Flak order Vehicles Vehicles order Train Train order Bridge Bridge order Ships Ships order Ground_Targets Ground Targets order Drop_Tanks Drop Tanks order Drop_Bombs Drop Bombs order Rejoin Rejoin order Go_To_Start Go To First Waypoint order Takeoff Take Off order Return_To_Base Return To Base order Hang_On Hang On order Add Point Add Point order Next_Point Next Point order Previous_Point Previous Point order Order_Height Altitude order Navigation Navigation order Vector_To_Home_Base Vector To Home Base order Vector_To_Nearest_Base Vector To Nearest Base order Vector To Target Vector To Target order Vector To Nearest Threat Vector To Nearest Threat order Request_For_Assistance Request For Assistance order Request_For_Landing Request For Landing order Request_Takeoff_Clearing Request Take Off Clearing order GroundControl Ground Control order Tighten Tighten order Loosen Loosen order Echelon_Right Echolon Right order Echelon_Left Echelon Left order Vic Vic order Finger_four Finger Four order Diamond Diamond order Line_Abreast Line Abreast order Line_Astern Line Astern order Change Change order Formation Formation order To_Do Action order Distance To Fire Distance To Fire order Status Status order Jump Bail Out order Crew Crew order Help_Me Help Me order Ready For Takeoff Ready For Takeoff order Ready For Full Stop Ready For Full Stop order Damaged Damaged order Wounded Wounded order Have No Ammo Have No Ammo order Have No Fuel Have No Fuel order New Frequency New Frequency order Frequency Frequency order Group Group order Wingman1 Wingman 1 order Wingman2 Wingman 2 order Wingman3 Wingman 3 order Wingman4 Wingman 4 order Flight1 Flight 1 order Wing1 Wing 1 order Wing2 Wing 2 order Flight2 Flight 2 rder Wing3 Wing 3 order Wing4 Wing 4 order Flight3 Flight 3 order Wing5 Wing 5 order Wing6 Wing 6 order Flight4 Flight 4 order Wing7 Wing 7 order Wing8 Wing 8 order Maintain_Radio_Silence Maintain Radio Silence order Cancel_Radio_Silence Cancel Radio Silence order Report_Contacts Report Contacts order Do_Not_Report_Contacts Do Not Report Contacts order Head_On Head On order Boom_And_Zoom Boom And Zoom order Attack_Type Attack Type order Disengage Disengage order Proceed_To_Task Proceed To Task order Land_Immediately Land Immediately order F_Close Close order F_Near Near order F_Middle Middle order F_Far Far order Declare_Emergency Declare Emergency order Report_On_Station Report On Station order Unavailable Unavailable order Engaged Engaged order Free Free order Maintain Silence Maintain Silence order Cancel Silence Cancel Silence order Hold_Fire Hold Fire order Open_Fire Open Fire order Report Status Report Status order Hand_Over_Control Hand Over Control order Landing_Gear_Control Landing Gear Control order Flaps_Control Flaps Control order Report_Airspeed Report Airspeed order Report_Altitude Report Altitude order Return_Control Return Control order Make_Left Make Left order Make_Right Make Right order Break_Left Break Left order Break_Right Break Right order Copy Copy order Do_Not_Copy Do Not Copy order Roger Roger order Unable Unable order Ready_For_Takeoff Ready For Takeoff order Damaged Damaged order Wounded Wounded order Have_No_Ammo Have No Ammo order Have_No_Fuel Have No Fuel order Element Element order Spacing Spacing
Most of this was "sweep under the rug" by Lutier patches, and even what remain are not totally functional.
BTW - TFS need suggestions, and know observed issues about Clod AI, can post in their new sub-forum in L-2 Sturmovik.com
Out warning and then follow my lead and brake off to attack
That may have been lost with the very next
Patch
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well so this totally AI pilots fought to a draw for an estimated 50 minutes and without human interference
so AI was nearly perfect in 2011 less human communication that Oleg would have certainly have fixed
Bf-109 E3 vs. Hurricane Rotol 50 minute AI grudge death match
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
Well I m not sure about some of you here who I remember as complete lost dudes
But I know I screwed up because I remember
Complaining about for some stupid things if you know what I mean I don’t know if you were there or if you remember but it was very intense and disappointing for many
but not everyone is born with a high IQ
so we killed the.game no more chances an so thanks for nothing community
pS get out of the basement get a job
buy a nice rig and be normal because life is shor
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Well I m not sure about some of you here who I remember as complete lost dudes
But I know I screwed up because I remember
Complaining about for some stupid things if you know what I mean I don’t know if you were there or if you remember but it was very intense and disappointing for many
but not everyone is born with a high IQ
so we killed the.game no more chances an so thanks for nothing community
pS get out of the basement get a job
buy a nice rig and be normal because life is shor
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
well so this totally AI pilots fought to a draw for an estimated 50 minutes and without human interference
You can post this mission code - use the spoiler tag.
I am curious to see what will happens with your 'smart' wingman in CloD Blitz.
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so AI was nearly perfect in 2011 less human communication that Oleg would have certainly have fixed
BTW - Remember that Oleg "bail out" from CloD "falling plane" just few days after their (disastrous) "release" - in fact he already have bail out previously, but keep appearances until the release party:
well so this totally AI pilots fought to a draw for an estimated 50 minutes and without human interference
You can post this mission code - use the spoiler tag.
I am curious to see what will happens with your 'smart' wingman in CloD Blitz.
Quote
so AI was nearly perfect in 2011 less human communication that Oleg would have certainly have fixed
BTW - Remember that Oleg "bail out" from CloD "falling plane" just few days after their (disastrous) "release" - in fact he already have bail out previously, but keep appearances until the release party:
soI’m currently in Las Vegas Nevada i spent a few months here
I have a flight mid-May into Kennedy New York
But will not be immediately to my home which is in the Hamptons so it might be as long as June 1 at or first week of June before I can get in I do that for you but it’s very interesting it I’ll be watching you very closely that would be great if it does work and you could tell suck I’m sure you can tell we had our standing AI be for a cut
Originally Posted by Sokol1
Originally Posted by SlipBall
well so this totally AI pilots fought to a draw for an estimated 50 minutes and without human interference
You can post this mission code - use the spoiler tag.
I am curious to see what will happens with your 'smart' wingman in CloD Blitz.
Quote
so AI was nearly perfect in 2011 less human communication that Oleg would have certainly have fixed
BTW - Remember that Oleg "bail out" from CloD "falling plane" just few days after their (disastrous) "release" - in fact he already have bail out previously, but keep appearances until the release party:
Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
sokol you know as well as I we had a very human like Ai and i would be surprised to hear anyone say differently based on the game shown here
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
theThe patches gave AI an LobotomyI’m pretty sure the only way forward is it a 1C has the original code because that’s really what’s needed and I mean original game and the rewrite was like pulling up some black screen down let it ruin the game getPackers
to again get these AI back 1cWould need to give team fusion the regional code in five years to get a presentable I believe that’s the really only only way that I mean the game now here you’re not going to get anywhere near what I have I mean really they can now work going for five years fix the year the pitch control them in radio that there’s a lot to work on but I think that’s the best way forward
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
theThe patches gave AI an LobotomyI’m pretty sure the only way forward is it a 1C has the original code because that’s really what’s needed and I mean original game and the rewrite e
Unfortunately the Release version refuse to run there in Win10/64 - or I should compare AI in Release and Blitz.
Agree that the ideal will be TFS take release version of Code and start fix from there, but despite impracticable due work involve, is probable that release code no longer exist.
And Blitz release issues suggest that the existent code don't reflect the last fixes (and broken) made in post-Oleg management, is something in between.
This Blitz patch finally leave me disillusioned with CloD when see they start depart from the good original visuals in favor of cheese effects (may are popular) and nothing visible was added for SP and all CloD "small bugs" still there.
Now I don't have much "faint" that just adding a Tobruk area map and some new planes - but keeping the rest like is actually will improve the things... will just postpone this long "agony" a little longer.
in all my missions I have never ever adjusted the bad Al skills
because i never really had the time besides they were worst than me already lol
You guys watch were #4 who breaks away to run for home because of a fuel leak
what does bad AI do, he follows # 4 !!
i love that aggressive behavior in this AI
It makes for a lot of surprises and demands on you to keep your eyes open
and watch your back
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
Your wingman is fighting OK, but that Hurricane behavior as if are doing a cruise flight following waypoint's and not with someone shooting at their six. An typical CloD flaw.
Sokol1 You are not making any sense here watch this video again and you will see that bad guy AI bad owl is not on any fixed way points untill the very end where we see him running home he is fully engage with destroying number # 4 the battle set aside of the pre sets when the battle was over the pre sets resumed us seeing both aircarft running home
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
Notice also sokol1 how bat guy AI knows That the battle is over
Now that he has lost his starboard wing tip and so he is smart enough to head home the battle is over
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
so what do you guys think of the Accident That cut the wing on number 13 and sent him spiraling to dearest belowh who’s fault the nearly ace good guy or the proberly average bad guy AI pilot I’m really not sure who’s at fault in that one it’s up it to me it looks like the red that I was dropping down but I don’t know how he would do that
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5
It looks to me like red drop down but I not sure anybody else ? Solol what do you think
If this was 2011 oh my God to be so many guys in here arguing but nothing to say nowadays lol
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Clod OEM screenshots & videos of Eu release..So I fly the original game because I am a off-liner and the game's AI was broken after the last good patch, game version 1.0.13954 GigaByteBoard...64bit...FX 4300 3.8, G. Skill sniper 1866 32GB, EVGA GTX 660 ti 3gb, Raptor 64mb cache, Planar 120Hz 2ms, CH controls, Tir5