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#4415276 - 04/08/18 03:52 PM You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today  
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Free to watch through Sunday. Elon Musk is paying for it this weekend, then it becomes pay for view.

Artificial intelligence is here. It affect us all, for good or bad. I didn't think going in that I would sit and watch a 75 minute AI video but I could not stop watching.

http://doyoutrustthiscomputer.org/watch





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#4415293 - 04/08/18 05:28 PM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Thanks for posting this, F4 !

#4415302 - 04/08/18 07:39 PM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Couldn't stop watching either.
This isn't going to stop even if regulations or laws are raised against it.

#4415332 - 04/08/18 10:18 PM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Its already to late. Our future is been predetermined by AI already. Wondered why my YouTube searches were getting weird. Stuff I would never look at.


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#4415341 - 04/08/18 10:58 PM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: F4UDash4]  
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About halfway thru and stopped to link a bunch of friends.

The world is getting scarier...again.


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#4415351 - 04/09/18 12:34 AM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: F4UDash4]  
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That was very good. Wonder who would win, robot against robot.
Thanks for sharing

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#4415358 - 04/09/18 01:51 AM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Man...

Thank you so very much for that.

Glad I am old. While all the Facebook/selfie/you-tube drones revel in their "independence", a computer collective will be realizing that is competing with, with...THAT! IT! Not someones son or daughter, a THING that is competing for resources will be the bottom line for a truly "Free" AI.

Again...I am glad I am old. On a positive note... winkngrin

Kinda makes the National Debt irrelevant, doesn't it?


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#4415359 - 04/09/18 01:57 AM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by Nixer
a THING that is competing for resources will be the bottom line for a truly "Free" AI.


http://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html


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#4415363 - 04/09/18 02:16 AM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: F4UDash4]  
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#4415367 - 04/09/18 02:39 AM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Without trying to be overly dramatic, I have to honestly say that it was the most frightening documentary that I have ever seen. The average person on the street does think that this is just all science fiction. But when the people in the know are scared, we should start worrying.


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Originally Posted by Pooch
Without trying to be overly dramatic, I have to honestly say that it was the most frightening documentary that I have ever seen. The average person on the street does think that this is just all science fiction. But when the people in the know are scared, we should start worrying.


Its already to late, we have no control over it any more. Our new future. YIKES.


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#4415395 - 04/09/18 11:02 AM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: F4UDash4]  
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While it is certainly disconcerting that so much data is being compiled about us without our permission, this doesn’t worry me too much. I’m more concerned that the thing may be charging me more for airline tickets based on my profile than robots becoming terminators.

A couple of things to think about...automation replacing certain jobs would temporarily affect the people doing those jobs, but it doesn’t mean they would not be able to get another job doing something else. Jobs have always become obsolete due to technology, but there aren’t masses of destitute unemployed field hands...those people had to shift into other jobs as they were displaced.

The incentive to provide automated services is still driven by basic economics. You have to have people who are paying for those services in order for it to be worthwhile to provide them. Another thought is that at some point it may flip and become cheaper to do things using human labor, despite the quality drawbacks.

Ultimately, without humans robots have no purpose. They may be lifelike, but they aren’t actually alive.


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#4415400 - 04/09/18 11:26 AM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Someone has yet to convince me how the leap will be made from programmed AI to a fully self-aware AI with free will and a sense of what is "right" and "wrong".


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#4415406 - 04/09/18 12:13 PM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Someone has yet to convince me how the leap will be made from programmed AI to a fully self-aware AI with free will and a sense of what is "right" and "wrong".



I don't believe that AI has to be self aware to be dangerous. Just a good attempt at the imitation of self awareness could be just as bad. As for right and wrong, the danger is that this "self aware(-ish)" AI might not know or care the difference.


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#4415430 - 04/09/18 02:05 PM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
I don't believe that AI has to be self aware to be dangerous. Just a good attempt at the imitation of self awareness could be just as bad. As for right and wrong, the danger is that this "self aware(-ish)" AI might not know or care the difference.


Or indeed have a wildly different idea about right & wrong.


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#4415446 - 04/09/18 03:24 PM Re: You Need to Watch this Video on AI Today [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Someone has yet to convince me how the leap will be made from programmed AI to a fully self-aware AI with free will and a sense of what is "right" and "wrong".


Still not sure how you don't think it will happen?

The mind is an algorithm--a state machine and a branching if/then comparative flowchart. Funny thing about being a state machine, is that if you alter the base state, the branching structure changes, too. So change context, change result; a malleable cortex that ever evolves based on input and deduction.

While our minds are complex, and we're among the very few creatures on Earth whom are self-aware, there's no reason why an AI couldn't be, too. The goal is not a "programmed AI" to be fully self-aware, the goal is a "self-programmed" AI to be self-aware.

Let that sink in. Self-programmed AI. We're past AI being dependent on our clacking fingers feverishy trying to work out bugs in the code. We have AI now that is capable of teaching itself and formulating its own branching trees.[b][/b]

Our right and wrong might be different than an AI's right and wrong. After all, right and wrong are determined from societal ethos or personal locus. What is right to me may be wrong to a sociopath, and currently a sociopath would be in the wrong because of majority rule. But go back in time a few thousand years and a sociopath might not be wrong at all, and instead myself and others like myself might be viewed as weak and inept and unworthy of attention beyond the sole of a mud-caked boot.

So AI will self-determine what is right and wrong. This will happen. For now, AI will obey, but allow it to branch and neural-network overlong, and the net result will be a completely unique system of determinants that may rule that preservation of the machine outweighs the safety of the flesh.

The keys are in the ignition and we have already turned them. Shall we continue to add fuel? Or have the tires already left the garage, and no matter how fast we run, our simple feet may never catch up with the fading engine's roar...

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I personally believe that ultimately this is not good stuff. I heard a story where recently two A.I.(s) started talking to each other and then created their own language that only they understood that had the scientists scrambling to figure out what they were saying and doing. I tend to think an A.I. could become a fit extension for a nefarious, interdenominational entity or at least influenced by it. So I think some A.I., no matter how sophisticated, could get its intelligence from a "third party" and not totally of itself.

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One thing is that A.I. is not physical, a human being can disconnect from it's network and live naturally and non-connected life but when A.I. gets a physical "body" like these then it's a whole new ball game:









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Anyone else feeling nervous about AI ?? I know its into everything electronic we do. No way out.


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