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#4413477 - 03/29/18 02:35 PM Re: "UFO" Over Oregon That Sent F-15s Scrambling [Re: rollnloop.]  
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Originally Posted by rollnloop.
Well I do believe 6th or 7th generation military aircraft are being engineered nowadays, most probably somewhere in arizona or new mexico abducted



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#4413481 - 03/29/18 02:41 PM Re: "UFO" Over Oregon That Sent F-15s Scrambling [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Of course that's what it must of been flying in the proximity of civilian aircraft - something even more advanced than the F-35 .... "go home citizens, nothing to see here"
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#4413549 - 03/29/18 06:47 PM Re: "UFO" Over Oregon That Sent F-15s Scrambling [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Because as we all know....a highly advanced alien race that has interstellar space travel capability would also be dumb enough to fly one their craft close enough to an airplane where they could be spotted visually.


I guess they haven't invented stealth tech yet.


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#4413579 - 03/29/18 09:04 PM Re: "UFO" Over Oregon That Sent F-15s Scrambling [Re: F4UDash4]  
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If they're flying drones ...(which is likely) and they know our capabilities, they also know we are not likely to be a threat to artificial intelligence more than capable of avoiding anything we have


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#4413665 - 03/30/18 08:40 AM Re: "UFO" Over Oregon That Sent F-15s Scrambling [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Because as we all know....a highly advanced alien race that has interstellar space travel capability would also be dumb enough to fly one their craft close enough to an airplane where they could be spotted visually.


I guess they haven't invented stealth tech yet.



They have no need to use any stealth, they know we can't do #%&*$#, we can only sit and look at them.
We are not a threat to them, but they could be to us if they wanted, but I guess they see us as a primitive species that can barely get of our rock.

If we go into the jungle and see a wild animal that wants to attack us, what we do? We just shoot it. So we better behave towards them.

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Only our hubris would allow use to think we could, too any great degree, devine the abilities and intentions of such beings if they exist and if they are visiting our planet.


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#4413690 - 03/30/18 01:05 PM Re: "UFO" Over Oregon That Sent F-15s Scrambling [Re: F4UDash4]  
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https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...cia-and-the-u-2-program-1954-1974/u2.pdf

relevant part on page 72 of the report, 84 of the pdf (UFOs, op bluebook)

#4414570 - 04/04/18 12:46 AM Re: "UFO" Over Oregon That Sent F-15s Scrambling [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Hey panzer what do you make of this ? And i know the initial part looks conspiracy, but i actually saw this stuff while it happened about the pilot channel.
but if that is farfecth skip to 6:46 wich is the juice of the video



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#4414576 - 04/04/18 01:15 AM Re: "UFO" Over Oregon That Sent F-15s Scrambling [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Serious question: Why when we see these radar tracks showing unidentified aircraft traveling in the atmosphere at what appear to be well over Mach 1 are there generally not widespread reports of sonic boom? I mean, even low boom craft in development would exhibit some constant boom as they move above the speed of sound at their altitude. This would be very easily heard on the ground...constantly.

My way smarter than me science and engineering kid isn’t around to ask. So I’ll ask that here.

I think this is something that would seem to be an important factor in determining origin (ET or .gov stuff). Of course, perhaps there already are no boom aircraft being flown by the feds.

Thoughts?

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#4414577 - 04/04/18 01:18 AM Re: "UFO" Over Oregon That Sent F-15s Scrambling [Re: F4UDash4]  
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I used to look at "SecureTeam10" videos from time to time because sometimes they'd have an interesting video or photo. I've never, ever agreed with the guy's paradigm but sometimes some interesting stuff comes their way. That's part of what bugs me about that channel. Its grown so huge but much of what even makes it a channel is because of other material people send him. I bit my tongue many times watching that channel but little by little the site really started to annoy me. Then one day he posts a video showing some Google Earth pictures of something roundish with skid marks right of a small island in the South Pacific. He made all kinds of allusions and speculations of "could this be a crashed saucer". My mind started rolling around a bit because of all the activity historically that has happened in those locations so I did a little basic research and looked into it. In about ten or fifteen minutes, I found that not only is this island known, it does have a history. It had at least two ship wrecks nearby in, if memory serves, in the 1700s, maybe early 1800s. Those skid marks on land and into the water are rail tracks leading to a singular mountain where sulfur was mined and I believe the ship wrecks, one of which was the speculated crashed UFO, belonged to a Dutch or some other European company that was mining sulfur. Also on the island are WW2 era concrete bunker type ruins. I'm not a researcher and I find out with little effort what we were actually looking at. I politely posted this info only for it to be ignored. Regardless of subject matter I have a problem with that kind of sloppiness especially coming from a Youtube site that must be making the owner a substantial income. If he ever retracted or corrected that video then good on him but I suspect it was left as is. That's not to say they don't get some genuine mysteries sent to them for sharing but its a disservice to conduct business in that way and a disrespect to the viewer in my opinion.

#4414588 - 04/04/18 04:08 AM Re: "UFO" Over Oregon That Sent F-15s Scrambling [Re: Airdrop01]  
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Originally Posted by Airdrop01
Serious question: Why when we see these radar tracks showing unidentified aircraft traveling in the atmosphere at what appear to be well over Mach 1 are there generally not widespread reports of sonic boom? I mean, even low boom craft in development would exhibit some constant boom as they move above the speed of sound at their altitude. This would be very easily heard on the ground...constantly.

My way smarter than me science and engineering kid isn’t around to ask. So I’ll ask that here.

I think this is something that would seem to be an important factor in determining origin (ET or .gov stuff). Of course, perhaps there already are no boom aircraft being flown by the feds.

Thoughts?


people always claim to see them disapear without a sound, i will completely honest here, when i was a teenager i experience one ocurrance like this, bright light in the night moving above the trees before zaping straight up....and what i heard actually sounded like bells.....i was 14, around the time an avid xfiles, and from that day fourth i cemented in my mind thats the reason churches use bells...remember the scriptures mentions angels acompanied by bells......so there is that.

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NASA awards Lockheed Skunk Works $247.5M supersonic X-plane

By Matthew KazinPublished April 04, 2018TransportationFOXBusiness

Supersonic commercial air travel may once again become a reality under a partnership between NASA and Lockheed Martin.

The American space agency announced on Tuesday that it awarded a contract to Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works to design, build and flight test the Low-Boom Flight Demonstrator (LBFD), an X-plane that will be used by NASA to find ways to bring supersonic jet travel back to the skies. The cost-plus-incentive-fee contract is valued at $247.5 million.

Lockheed’s secretive Skunk Works will build the full-scale experimental X-plane to be about as loud as a closing car door, addressing noise concerns. A preliminary design was crafted as part of NASA’s Quiet Supersonic Technology (QueSST) effort.

The aircraft will travel at about 940 miles per hour and cruise at 55,000 feet. Current regulations ban commercial supersonic travel over land, something that contributed to the demise of the Anglo-French supersonic Concorde. That aircraft began commercial service in the 1970s and lasted until the early 2000s.

"We look forward to applying the extensive work completed under QueSST to the design, build and flight test of the X-plane, providing NASA with a demonstrator to make supersonic commercial travel possible for passengers around the globe,” Peter Iosifidis, Low-Boom Flight Demonstrator program manager at Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, said in a statement on Tuesday.

NASA said it will accept the aircraft from Lockheed in late 2021 and will fly it over select U.S. cities starting in mid-2022, collecting community responses to the flights. The data will be provided to U.S. and international regulators to use in considering new sound-based rules for supersonic flight over land.

The contract comes a month after the Trump administration – which has been a proponent for NASA – requested full funding for the program in its fiscal year 2019 budget proposal.

Lockheed’s Skunk Works has partnered with America’s space agency for years and was awarded a contract in February 2016 for the preliminary design of the X-plane aircraft.

This design is supposed to reduce the sonic boom on the ground to the same level as a car door slamming. I imagine ET could do better.

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Originally Posted by Crane Hunter

This design is supposed to reduce the sonic boom on the ground to the same level as a car door slamming. I imagine ET could do better.

Depends whether it is ET or the Hulk slamming the door I guess wink

Certainly the F-16s around here when they go supersonic can rattle the windows, it used to be a toss up as to which was louder, the 120mm tank guns at the range, the 155mm field guns, or the F-16s and they all sounded differently


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Originally Posted by Alicatt
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This design is supposed to reduce the sonic boom on the ground to the same level as a car door slamming. I imagine ET could do better.

Depends whether it is ET or the Hulk slamming the door I guess wink

Certainly the F-16s around here when they go supersonic can rattle the windows, it used to be a toss up as to which was louder, the 120mm tank guns at the range, the 155mm field guns, or the F-16s and they all sounded differently



Many years ago I was working in a car dealership when an F-16 accidentally went supersonic some 20k+ feet overhead, we thought the paint booth in the body shop had blown up.


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Sometimes on a clear day you can see the F-16s way up high, hardly a dot at the end of a vapour trail and one will dive down and next there is a Ba-BOOM when it goes supersonic, happens a lot here, today it was .223 and .50 cal on the ranges and overhead F-16s playing tag wink


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
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This design is supposed to reduce the sonic boom on the ground to the same level as a car door slamming. I imagine ET could do better.

Depends whether it is ET or the Hulk slamming the door I guess wink

Certainly the F-16s around here when they go supersonic can rattle the windows, it used to be a toss up as to which was louder, the 120mm tank guns at the range, the 155mm field guns, or the F-16s and they all sounded differently



Many years ago I was working in a car dealership when an F-16 accidentally went supersonic some 20k+ feet overhead, we thought the paint booth in the body shop had blown up.


How, exactly, does a professional pilot 'accidentally' go supersonic and how did you know it was an accident?


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Originally Posted by cichlidfan

How, exactly, does a professional pilot 'accidentally' go supersonic and how did you know it was an accident?

That is something I have wondered about.

I know that they have to do flight tests of the aircraft after maintenance etc. and part of that routine is to take the aircraft supersonic as well as to test it at full g loading, "Gizmo" at the local base took one of the F-16s up to 9.1g as part of it's routine test. Gizmo is the Solo F-16 display pilot here and he requests permission to take the aircraft past Mach 1 before he does the high speed run.

Watching them doing dog fighting high above us usually at some point one of them extends and bang he is supersonic whether it is accidental or with pre planning I cannot tell, but they do plan their flight evolution carefully before executing it.

One of the pilots has recently been grounded due to having extreme back and neck pain from too much stress from high g manoeuvres, he is only 44 but looking at him you would say he is much older, must be from the more than 2000 hours in the F-16 he has done wink


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Originally Posted by cichlidfan
How, exactly, does a professional pilot 'accidentally' go supersonic and how did you know it was an accident?



It was a long time ago and I don't remember the specifics but that was the pilots "excuse" biggrin.

But, the speed of sound is different at different altitudes/densities etc. and I suppose that if you were intending to cruise along in your F-16 at about Mach 0.98+ or such that you could possibly, through inattention etc., push through Mach 1.0 without meaning to.


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