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#4411760 - 03/20/18 08:07 PM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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The problem is, so many clues given by other cars & drivers aren’t something you can detect electronically. For example, I was driving down the interstate once and in the on-ramp there was a car driven by an old lady with her shoulders up by her ears and head fixed straight ahead. Instinct & experience told me she was an accident waiting to happen, so I let off the gas, fell back a bit to make room, and got ready to brake. Sure enough, when she got to the merge she just drove right in but the cars ahead of me apparently hadn’t seen what I did and were braking & swerving like mad. I had plenty of room to slow down & change lanes after a car passed me, without affecting anyone else around me. The lady was driving the same speed as the other merging vehicles, right until she slammed on the brakes. Tell me how a self-driving car will pick up on visual & instinctive clues like that. Here she has the right of way. Main road traffic has to yield to merging traffic. Not here, merging traffic always has to yield. You really have to yield for a merging vehicle while doing 100km/hr on your version of the interstate? Yup that is the law. Not that it is followed. Don't know it is still so but in Vancouver, and maybe all BC, pedestrians have the right of way. You had better stop if one steps off the sidewalk.
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#4411767 - 03/20/18 08:58 PM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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Edit: Please don't write that she was J walking, so the whole thing was her fault, ....
No, not entirely her fault. But when you break the law (assuming the city had a jaywalking law, some cities do some don't) and end up in trouble, injured, dead as a result you DO bear some responsibility. Don't know the driving law where you live, but in Ontario, if a pedestrian is walking where they shouldn't be, the onus is on the driver to yield to the pedestrian at all times. (unless you can prove you had no chance to avoid the person - i.e. the person jumps out between two cars) So if a person is crosses an intersection against a red light, the onus would be on the driver to prove he(she) could not stop the car. In other words, the driver must drive in a defensive state at all times. But having said that, even if you could prove that you could not stop in time, and if you hit the person, you may be charged, but if the person tired to sue you, then the responsibility of the person crossing the road at the wrong time would come into play.. Best defense, get a camera installed in your vehicle.
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#4411774 - 03/20/18 09:13 PM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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Sounds like it was entirely the woman's own fault. Uber Victim Stepped Suddenly in Front of Self-Driving CarPolice say a video from the Uber self-driving car that struck and killed a woman on Sunday shows her moving in front of it suddenly, a factor that investigators are likely to focus on as they assess the performance of the technology in the first pedestrian fatality involving an autonomous vehicle.
The Uber had a forward-facing video recorder, which showed the woman was walking a bike at about 10 p.m. and moved into traffic from a dark center median. "It’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode,” Sylvia Moir, the police chief in Tempe, Arizona, told the San Francisco Chronicle.
"The driver said it was like a flash, the person walked out in front of them," Moir said, referring to the backup driver who was behind the wheel but not operating the vehicle. "His first alert to the collision was the sound of the collision."
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#4411808 - 03/21/18 01:57 AM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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Uber, Fubar take your pick, all work the same. Sadly.
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#4411817 - 03/21/18 02:45 AM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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There's recording of the accident. Truth will come out. Let's see if any driver could have realistically avoided it.
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#4411973 - 03/21/18 06:26 PM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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I saw 2 of these in Sedona just last week, they were 2 cars behind me as we were driving out. I originally thought they were Google Map cars until I got home and saw this on the news.
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#4411989 - 03/21/18 07:04 PM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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This is just the tip of the iceberg. Kill this folly before they force it on everyone. The machines can't handle all the necessary input to make safe judgments. it can do a lot more input then you. you trust auto pilot on planes, why not on cars, it has 3 less axis to worry about. There is no such a thing as driveless car, the driver will still be "in control" when needed,same with planes autopilots. But we must enforce that ALL cars use it, so they can "talk" to one another, like planes have flight charts ? so would cars have a destination chart, that way other cars would know (or a central).
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#4412047 - 03/21/18 10:05 PM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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The phases of flight in which autopilot is "trusted" do not compare favorably with an automobile's typical phases of travel.
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#4412053 - 03/21/18 10:15 PM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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The phases of flight in which autopilot is "trusted" do not compare favorably with an automobile's typical phases of travel.
Yep, not much of a chance of a pedestrian stepping out in from of a 737 at 35k feet. 
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#4412054 - 03/21/18 10:17 PM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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#4412056 - 03/21/18 10:25 PM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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Growing up had to cross a busy road often. Was told to look one way, then the other way AND look again in the first direction looked. Saved my life one night. My friend didn't and was hit by the car (broken leg). I would have been the hood ornament.
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4412073 - 03/21/18 11:50 PM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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The video is released.
If any human is driving that car, same outcome.
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#4412100 - 03/22/18 02:17 AM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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If autonomy is to be built on safety, then that safety must be better than merely "better than the average driver".
Right now if this tragedy is used as an example, all that I can reasonably say is "autonomy failed just as a human would have". I can't argue that the same outcome presents a new facet of safety that we couldn't have before.
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#4412160 - 03/22/18 12:02 PM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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Footage up to the point of impact. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43497364Although that lady was placing herself in danger and was difficult to see (at least from the camera settings), I feel an AI driver should have spotted that.
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#4412162 - 03/22/18 12:11 PM
Re: Uber self driving cars. Setback.
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Here's an alternative to the uber footage. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/6wAbdFe.jpg) Suddenly looks much more like a well-lit road, circumstances under which a person should clearly have been able to see the victim. Don't think this is relevant to the cause of the incident though. As far as I'm aware the sensors used by the uber cars include LIDAR, which should work equally well regardless of light conditions.
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Exodus
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