#4409179 - 03/06/18 01:30 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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I wonder if there is anyway to identify, who had 4 kill's marked on the side of their wildcat, when the ship went down. Possibly Albert Vorse Jr. Retired 1959 as an Admiral, passed in 1979.
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#4409376 - 03/07/18 07:09 AM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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Amazing History. Lady Lex. Wow ~ RIP ~ S! Wondering now about the aircraft. For EAW some related skins are around and the history of them, for instance: This aircraft depicts a Grumman F4F-3 Wildcat of VF-42, USS Yorktown during the Battle of Coral Sea, May 8, 1942. This aircraft was flown by Ens. E. Scott McCusky during the Coral Sea battle, downing one Zero. He recovered low on fuel aboard the USS Lexington, just in time for that ship to be sunk by the Japanese. This plane was still aboard when it sank. McCusky survived and went on to fly with VF-3 at Midway, scoring another 3 kills during that battle and finishing the war with a total score of 15.5. This 3DZ model, cockpit and skins (clean and weathered) were created by Captain Kurt.
from: Captain Kurt's EAW Collectionedit; ..unfortunately the skin graphic is not available just now.. arghhh! ;/
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#4409417 - 03/07/18 02:02 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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Amazing. That aircraft sure does look to be VF-3 (Now VFA-31). I was taken aback seeing that that aircraft also had 4 maybe 5 kills to its credit, and now lies at rest at the bottom of the sea...
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#4409433 - 03/07/18 04:06 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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"Look at that F4F, Some argument whether this if from VF3 which attached aircraft to the USS Lexington or a Yorktown VF5 aircraft that landed on the Lexington."
Not sure why there should be any argument. The Felix the Cat emblem shows quite clearly. That's VF-3. If it's because they think that number on the side after the V looks like a 5, that isn't the way those numbers worked, at the time, on U.S. Navy airplanes. It doesn't denote the plane's squadron. It's the airplanes personal number. Butch Ohare's Wildcat (Well, the one he recieved the Medal of Honor with) had V-15 on the side. Boy! Wouldn't that have been something to find! You would almost have to have tried to bring that one up. Yeah, this find is exciting. It brings all of this to life. It makes the ship a real life breathing thing, not just black and white photos in a book. It makes The Battle of The Coral Sea a real, palpable, event. It lets you know that these aren't just stories. They were real events and the proof is sitting right there.
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#4409435 - 03/07/18 04:27 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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This is going to drive the World War Two Denialists into a frenzy.
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#4409437 - 03/07/18 04:33 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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Very interesting, and well done Paul Allen! It is amazing to see that, especially the Devastator in such good condition, considering it's on a ship that was attacked and sank over 70 years ago. i read that the microorganism that eats the steel protect them from saline waters, same is happening to titanic, but soon it will be just dust.
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#4409445 - 03/07/18 04:51 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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The Wildcat apparently was flown by Admiral Noel A. M. Gayler
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#4409455 - 03/07/18 05:14 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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It is amazing how well the paint has held up. wasnt the paint back then made of very toxic materials ?
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#4409467 - 03/07/18 06:04 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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I wonder how they arrived at the belief that it's Gaynor's airplane. I can't find out what his position in the squadron was at the time. There's some fascinating and confusing aviation history going on. According to his biography, he had flown with both VF-2 and VF-3. That airplane is a VF-3 fighter. VF-3 was assigned to CV-3, the Saratoga, but she had been torpedoed by a Japanese submarine, earlier in the year, while part of a task force heading to Midway to get help to the Marines over there. As we know, that didn't happen. Sara limped back to Pearl and recieved enough repairs to keep her seaworthy and then she headed for The States for the major work. Her air group remained in Hawaii and the airplanes were parcelled out to other carriers. Hence, CV-3 fighters aboard CV-2. Now, if he was commanding VF-2 at the time, he probably would not have been assigned a VF-3 Wildcat. Only squadron commanders had their own airplanes. Everyone else flew the airplane that was assigned to him. The assignment was given according to how the planes were spotted on the deck. If you were assigned position number three, you flew the airplane spotted on the deck in that position. There just isn't enough room on a carrier deck to worry about positioning certain airplanes in certain positions for certain pilots. So, I'm hoping that I'm not making this overly confusing. I'm just trying to understand how they arrived at the conclusion that it was his plane. An old logbook, maybe? Anyway, It's some fascinating stuff.
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#4409471 - 03/07/18 06:43 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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I wonder how they arrived at the belief that it's Gaynor's airplane. See last picture I posted. Look closely at the name under cockpit rail, mostly obscured by marine growth but you can make out a "GA" and an "R".
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#4409479 - 03/07/18 07:35 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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It is amazing how well the paint has held up. wasnt the paint back then made of very toxic materials ? Most paint of that era was lead based. Wheels
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#4409483 - 03/07/18 07:49 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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Yeah, sure looks as though it says "Gaynor." Here's his account of that fateful day aboard the Lady Lex.
"It was at least two and a half or three hours from the time I landed until the time the captain gave the orders to abandon ship. There was a lot of things going on, explosions in the ship. One main plane elevator went up on a column of fire and turned over and landed on the deck with a clang. There was a lot of concern about fighting fires. I was trying — fruitlessly, it turned out — to get another strike organized, because I knew there was at least one undamaged carrier in the Japanese force. At the time, we thought the planes would be able to launch, but we found out we couldn't fuel, so that was the end of that. But I spent a lot of time on that. I was mustering people in the squadron and rushing around taking care of squadron business while all the rest of the fire fighting was going on.
Finally, we were sort of driven by the fire to the extreme end of the ship, the stern. I know you've heard this story, but the ship's service ice cream plant was in the extreme port quarter, and some clown passed the word that there was free ice cream. So while they were abandoning ship, sailors were lining up for free ice cream. Of course, they puked it up as soon as they had been swimming in salt water a little while. People don't realize how young they were. God, they were only 18 or 19-20 at the most."
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#4409491 - 03/07/18 08:22 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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Waiting in line for ice cream as their ship went down, and then lining up their shoes on deck before jumping over the side. "The Greatest Generation" indeed.
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#4409495 - 03/07/18 08:31 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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Waiting in line for ice cream as their ship went down, and then lining up their shoes on deck before jumping over the side. "The Greatest Generation" indeed. There's a lot of funny stories if you read enough books about World War 2. One that stands out is that one of the 101st paratroopers has a German accent and had 5 clickers on him before he jumped.
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#4409496 - 03/07/18 08:33 PM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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There's a lot of funny stories if you read enough books about World War 2. One that stands out is that one of the 101st paratroopers has a German accent and had 5 clickers on him before he jumped. You better hope you run into people that know the sound of your voice. Wheels
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#4409585 - 03/08/18 11:46 AM
Re: USS Lexington (CV-2), Lost at Coral Sea, Located
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There's a lot of funny stories if you read enough books about World War 2. One that stands out is that one of the 101st paratroopers has a German accent and had 5 clickers on him before he jumped.
Not so much funny but more full of amusing irony is the story about the conversation between Erwin Rommel and a captured South African officer during the campaign in North Africa.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
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