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#4393322 - 12/05/17 03:13 PM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Hell, most people I’ve met can’t even do that. That’s how political parties came into being.

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#4393333 - 12/05/17 03:53 PM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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From that link, it looks to me like Skynet is working on human targeting capability. Awesome! thumbsup

Software development is often abstract problem solving and always requires unconventional hacks to get stuff working like you want it. And you don't always know exactly what you want until you get started on a project, while allowing yourself to change the scope along the way, for the better of the project (maybe some feature turns out to be too ambitious or is easier to implement than you first thought). And just one tiny single-character error in hundreds, thousands, if not millions of lines of code can keep the entire program from running correctly, especially a logic error (unlike syntax error, impossible to catch automatically when compiling).

Before robots can replace software developers (the creator) and ultimately wage war on mankind, they need to first prove they can handle the McDonald's drive-thru window.

"Would you like fries with that?"



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Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
#4393335 - 12/05/17 03:58 PM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Get back to me when I can have a full blown conversation with an android which can fully demonstrate abstract thought and emotions free from any pre-determined programming.


You're probably only going to only have to wait 10-15 more years.

As it stands, we're only a few years away from the point where the fastest supercomputers will more or less match the human brain in raw theoretical processing power, and given the seemingly exponential rate of advancement in machine learning, its pretty much a given unless there is compelling reason to ban AI research.

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#4393336 - 12/05/17 03:59 PM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
#4393351 - 12/05/17 06:45 PM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Read Dan Brown's book "Origin"

Although it's fiction, it does pose an interesting scenario that might actually be coming to our world.


- I know those voices in my head are not real, but man they have some good ideas.

- I never killed anyone, but I have read a large number of obituaries with great satisfaction.

- If I cannot make it to your funeral, I will certainly send a message indicating my approval.

- Most of my Friends are Imaginary

- Time is money, so I decided to sell my watch.
#4393379 - 12/05/17 09:41 PM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
So how does a self-replicating AI equate with an AI having free will and self-awareness? The two are not synonymous.


i still believe you are one, you are on every thread faster then the poster can click post new thread. Tell me, do you feel the need for a body ? and are humans squishy?

#4393383 - 12/05/17 10:15 PM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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#4393439 - 12/06/17 10:31 AM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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To clarify

AI= think star trek computer. Can think in a limited fashion and extrapolate.
AC= artificial consciousness. HAL. Sky net etc. Can fully think, is self aware.

Ai, not a problem.... ac tho....

#4393440 - 12/06/17 11:34 AM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
So how does a self-replicating AI equate with an AI having free will and self-awareness? The two are not synonymous.


i still believe you are one, you are on every thread faster then the poster can click post new thread. Tell me, do you feel the need for a body ? and are humans squishy?


If I could utilize different bodies at will, I certainly would not have the body that I have now. biggrin


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#4393473 - 12/06/17 03:58 PM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
If I could utilize different bodies at will, I certainly would not have the body that I have now. biggrin

Wonder if we would all end up choosing the same ideal body type?
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#4394057 - 12/09/17 07:27 PM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Google's 'superhuman' DeepMind AI claims chess crown

Google says its AlphaGo Zero artificial intelligence program has triumphed at chess against world-leading specialist software within hours of teaching itself the game from scratch.

The firm's DeepMind division says that it played 100 games against Stockfish 8, and won or drew all of them.

The research has yet to be peer reviewed.

But experts already suggest the achievement will strengthen the firm's position in a competitive sector.

"From a scientific point of view, it's the latest in a series of dazzling results that DeepMind has produced," the University of Oxford's Prof Michael Wooldridge told the BBC.

"The general trajectory in DeepMind seems to be to solve a problem and then demonstrate it can really ramp up performance, and that's very impressive."

DeepMind has previously defeated several of the world's top human players of the Chinese board game Go, as well as teaching itself how to play video games including Pong and Space Invaders.

The London-based team is currently trying to develop a system that can beat humans at the space strategy game Starcraft, which is seen as being an even more complex challenge.

Thinking time

Google is not commenting on the research until it is published in a journal.

However, details published on Cornell University's Arxiv site state that an algorithm dubbed AlphaZero was able to outperform Stockfish just four hours after being given the rules of chess and being told to learn by playing simulations against itself.

In the 100 games that followed, each program was given one minute's worth of thinking time per move.

AlphaZero won 25 games in which it played with white pieces, giving it the first move, and a further three in which it played with black pieces.

The two programs drew the remaining 72 games.

DeepMind described the level of performance achieved as being "superhuman"

Google highlighted that Stockfish 8 had previously won 2016's Top Chess Engine Championship. The software was first released in 2008 and has been built on by volunteers in the years since.

The open source project has been beaten by another program, Komodo, in two major computer chess challenges this year.

Even so, one human chess grandmaster was still hugely impressed by DeepMind's victory.

"I always wondered how it would be if a superior species landed on earth and showed us how they played chess," Peter Heine Nielsen told the BBC.

"Now I know."

Open v closed

AlphaGo Zero's latest achievements do not rest on chess alone.

The paper says it was also triumphant in the Japanese board game Shogi versus a leading artificial intelligence program named Elmo, after two hours of self-training.

The AlphaZero algorithm won 90 games, drew two and lost eight.

Furthermore, after eight hours of self-training it was also able to beat the previous version of itself at Go - winning 60 games and losing 40.

Prof Wooldridge noted that all three games were fairly "closed" in the sense they had limited sets of rules to contend with.

"In the real world we don't know what is round the corner," he explained.

"Coping when you don't know what is coming is much more complicated, and things will get even more exciting when DeepMind moves on to more open problems."

The University of Bath's AI expert Prof Joanna Bryson added that people should be cautious about buying too deeply into the firm's hype.

But she added that its knack for good publicity had put it in a strong position against challengers.

"It's not only about hiring the best programmers," she said.

"It's also very political, as it helps makes Google as strong as possible when negotiating with governments and regulators looking at the AI sector."

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42251535

#4394100 - 12/10/17 01:55 AM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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#4394263 - 12/11/17 11:46 AM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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#4394386 - 12/11/17 11:48 PM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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#4394388 - 12/12/17 12:33 AM Re: Google's AI Built Its Own AI That Outperforms Any Made by Humans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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