Reread rumors that AMD will be going to 12nm (from 14nm) process for Ryzen CPUs and Vega GPUs "early" next year -- because its easy. The original plan was to jump to 7nm in 2019 and stay at 14nm until then.
At the GlobalFoundries Technology Conference this week, AMD’s CTO, Mark Papermaster, announced his firm would use GlobalFoundries’ new 12nm LP process node for upcoming products.
The new 12nm Ryzen CPUs and Vega GPUs will also feature updated designs. Those combined with 12nm are speculated to provide a 10 to 20 percent improvement in performance. I assume 10 percent or the changes would not be worth doing. We'll see.
I might as well wait for that before trying to buy an RX Vega card. I'm assuming a wait until March/April. But, often things become delayed.
AMD Raven Ridge Desktop APU Support Can Be Added To Your AM4 Motherboard Now Through A BIOS Update .. The AMD AM4 chipset based motherboards have officially supported Raven Ridge processors since launch, only the BIOS needed update. The AM4 platform is said to offer longevity to users meaning that AMD will extend CPU support on the platform beyond Summit Ridge (Ryzen) and Bristol Ridge (9th Gen APU). We know that after Raven Ridge support, these motherboards will also get Pinnacle Ridge CPU support which are expected to launch next year. Overall, unlike Intel who demand users to shift over from older platforms to use their new chips, AMD does offer a better upgrade path to their consumers...
Another "bang for buck" aspect of AMD vs Intel. One can use the same motherboard for new mainstream CPU and APU products over a period of years.
Parenthetically, Threadripper uses a different motherboard -- because the socket is so big to accommodate all the cores -- up to 32 cores/64 threads are expected eventually -- not a mainstream part. However, I expect the Threadripper motherboard to stay relevant as new Threadrippers arrive.
My gaming motherboard's BIOS support page does not show this update, yet. However, this announcement only means the generic BIOS is available to the manufacturers. They have to implement it for each motherboard.
Of course, our well-placed sources want to remain unnamed but Intel’s 10nm delay was for a financial reason and not the inability to make a good 10nm CPU..
..let’s assume that the new 10nm wafer could easily cost close to $700. Since Intel aims for very high yields, sometimes up to 90 percent, they want most of the 10nm dies to work. Let’s assume that the next gen 10nm Ice Lake core is 15x10mm (150mm2). This would mean that Intel can get approximately 394 dies per wafer.
Now, imagine these cores in 10nm, in the course of 2018..
The article prognosticates a cost as low as $2.00 per usable CPU die -- more likely $3.50. They don't say how many CPU cores that would be.
Anyhow, Intel may be moving towards "price competition". As the article notes, until the last year when AMD brought out Ryzen and Threadripper, Intel did not have to compete on price or performance -- now it does.
Just In: IRS Will Receive Personally Identifiable Data of Coinbase Users
The agency had argued that only 802 US citizens reported cryptocurrency holdings in their taxes in 2015 when millions were transacting in the digital currencies....
One selling point of Crypotcurrency has apparently been the ability to avoid paying taxes on income. Cryptocurrency when well handled allowed for untraceable transactions.
I speculate: If hiding income with cryptocurrency transactions becomes harder to do, cryptocurrency may become less valuable -- thereby more quickly freeing up RX580s and RX Vega's for gamer's to buy at reasonable prices.
AMD teases Radeon Software Adrenalin Edition coming in December
Adrenalin is the new driver family that will put the end to Crimson. It is believed to bring new features, such as GPU performance overlay, which was teased months ago, and possibly unlock the additional power of Vega architecture, which is teased in the video.
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Originally Posted by Allen
For those interested in fast VR, Steam benchmarks run in-house by AMD say RX Vega is very competitive.
AMD Radeon RX Vega architecture shines in VRMark Cyan Room
For those interested in fast VR you wouldn't use cherry-picked benchmarks that make both cards from one specific brand look like world-beaters when in reality and in actual use that isn't reflected at all, you'd want to use a mixture of various benchmarks that reflect the performance of real-world games in order to get a realistic comparison and these consistently show the GTX1080/ti outperforming any AMD GPU by anything up to 30%. With the GTX1080 cheaper than the top-end Vega and but still outperforming it you'd be mad to opt for Vega at the moment. It seems to be the same old AMD.....promise a lot, underperform and use what is most probably better technology, but as yet poorly supported by their own drivers and more importantly developers of the games we're playing and will be playing in the near future. https://babeltechreviews.com/rx-vega-64-liquid-10-vr-games-vs-the-gtx-1080-gtx-1080-ti/
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Thanks for the link. I do note that its an August article.
The author says that Vega needs a driver improvement to catch GTX 1080 ( for example, The Unspoken seems WAY out of line -- even RX480 beats Vega). Since August, Vega has gotten some driver improvements that may be reflected in the benchmark I posted above.
Rumors are that the December Vega Adrenalin drivers will give a general boost due to unlocking some unused Vega features (of course that's not guaranteed -- its a rumor for now -- must wait and see what independent tests show).
Also, the article notes that the VR code limits FPS to 90 as part of normal operation. So, maybe in practice, anything over 90 does not get used regardless of what GPU is used. Then it comes down to price. Right now the Vega price is higher than I want to pay.
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Horsepower that 'would' enable higher frame rates than 90fps enables the ability to knock the pixel density up.
The GTX1080 (and Ti especially) can effectively run at 4k configurations and downscale the output to the 1440p resolutions that the headsets run at. For flight Sims and racing Sims this does make a welcome difference as the text on HUDs and dials change from slightly blurry to very clear.
Personally, I think it's the next gen headsets with 4k displays that will really give us what we need however the issue is still the GPU. Although the 1080ti comes close and can reach 60fps in most (but not all) games the VR headsets really need that consistent 90fps frame rate to keep everything nice and smooth. I think we're still a generation or two away from that so another 3-4 years.
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Regarding old articles, I noted that drivers change -- almost weekly if necessary.
For example, the latest release of Crimson drivers supports better VR (as noted in above quote). Moreover, December's (?) Adrenalin drivers were rumored to update VR even more -- as alluded to above. And, I have personally noted other VR fixes during the last couple months (not in-use -- rather in the driver release notes).
I rarely post on drivers because the gamers who own the cards will have already checked out the drivers for their cards. And, folks who don't own the cards -- why should they care? But, drivers for AMD and Nvidia are always improving. Which makes old data "suspect":.
Nonetheless, we agree, VR is not 100 percent there yet. And, faster FPS should result in some benefit for the faster card at some point in some applications.
I assume 1080Ti will be the fastest for the next few months at least (at a price $$$). Next year AMD and Nvidia will make faster cards.
Nvidia's game plan is to ALWAYS make the fastest top-end card -- no matter what it takes or what it costs -- its a big part of their brand recognition to be able to say "fastest". I read years ago that AMD decided it was foolish to go out of their way to try and beat Nvidia's TOP card in FPS. Rather, they would compete on "bang per buck" and on giving a complete GPU -- for example, one that includes a good "compute" ability -- and supports the next generation of games (e.g. Nvidia DX12 support and compute capabilities in hardware only recently are catching up to AMD).
European Union and United Kingdom regulators will take action to prevent trading in the Bitcoin cryptocurrency being conducted under conditions of anonymity, amid claims that people are hopping on the bandwagon to finance drug dealing, terrorism and money laundering..
..the effect of "mining" has been to boost profits for firms like Nvidia and AMD, with "miners" forcing the price of add in cards through the roof..
Free Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus & Prey w/ purchase, limited offer
$569.99 after $50.00 rebate card
Reason for post: First custom card I've noticed nominally on sale to the public.
Considering that the Reference RX Vega 64 listed at $500, this price with free games seems reasonable.
Newegg and currently out of stock. But, they may not have started the sale yet -- merely put up the advertisement. Does not say "sold out". There is an "auto notify" button for when they come in (my experience is that you may get the message too late -- so check site periodically).
At Amazon they are saying:
Price: $859.99 FREE Shipping for Prime members Details
In stock on December 8, 2017.
I won't be buying one at that cash price. My RX480 runs everything I play.
So, I await a custom card selling near $500 or a water cooled one below $600 (the Newegg deal seems reasonable in today's GPU market -- but, I don't value either of the games). And, then, I'll evaluate a possible purchase.
Now, Amazon is saying Dec 13 availability. And, Newegg is saying "who knows when". Only interesting because its the first custom card -- so far a "paper launch".
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AMD and Qualcomm Team Up To Introduce Gigabit LTE Devices Under The Ryzen Mobility Platform
..at the Qualcomm Snapdragon Technology Summit, AMD showed up to announce that it will be rolling out a line of products utilizing a Gigabit LTE modem by Snapdragon on the Ryzen Mobility platform. This is a very interesting update from AMD and showcases that it is going all out on seeding its brand new x86 ecosystem as far as humanly possible – and for all intents and purposes, succeeding at it...
So where can you expect to see this Ryzen Mobility + Gigabit LTE combo? Well, this is something you will see either in netbooks or in 2 in 1s. Both of which are decidedly low power applications and those that could benefit greatly from a cellular modem in the mix. According to the specs, you should be bale to download a movie within 30 secs..
The Ryzen mobility APUs (2700u and 2500u) could singlehandedly land it one of the biggest market share increases of all segments. That they caught Intel off-guard would be an understatement.
If the official [AMD supplied] numbers are to be believed .. the [15W] Ryzen 2700U is so powerful that it can beat out a 91W TDP Kaby Lake based Core i5 7600k. .. These are sure to sell like hotcakes in the laptop market if the official claims are anywhere close to the truth – and we have no reason to suspect they aren’t considering AMD has delivered on its Ryzen and Threadripper claims in the past.
Off topic. But, possibly useful information to SimHQ members still making their career plans:
AI might falter due to human shortage
A new report from Chinese tech giant Tencent said that there are only 300,000 “AI researchers and practitioners” worldwide, but the “market demand” is for millions of roles.
The report confirms what tech giants have been complaining about - apparently an AI engineer can demand a high salary for her or his skills. Those with a few years’ experience can expect base pay of between $300,000 and $500,000 while the very best can collect millions.
One independent AI lab said that there were only 10,000 individuals worldwide with the right skills to spearhead serious new AI projects.
Tencent’s new “2017 Global AI Talent White Paper” suggests the bottleneck here is education. It estimates that 200,000 of the 300,000 active researchers are already employed in various industries - not just tech - while the remaining 100,000 are still studying. ..
I believe that AI devices will replace 98 percent of human jobs that dominantly require making decisions based on "thoughtful, objective, consideration of facts". I imagine most of the change will be during the next 50 years -- some folks say much less time.
That's not all jobs. But, most science, engineering, medicine, and repetitive manual jobs (e.g. truck driving) would fit. So, an AI specialist could aim to get into virtually any field that interests them.
I personally would go the AI route if I were starting my career over. I played with it some when I did work. And I've played with it after retirement.
Whoa. Navi to come next year?? Based on rumors, I assumed it would be delayed until 2019. If 2018 true (i.e. backed up by more substantiated rumor), I may just wait all year for a new GPU (I'm currently planning on a 12nm RX Vega next Spring). Navi has been rumored/speculated to be the "Threadripper" of GPUs -- potentially many many shaders at a good "bang per buck". We'll see,.
And, other news in this article:
AMD To Stop Shipping Reference RX Vega Cards In Favor Of Custom Models
..ComputerBase cites several sources and reports that AMD has already stopped shipping reference Vegas in favor of allocating more Vega 10 GPUs for the company’s add-in-board partners to build custom designs with..
[AMD is] busy with the new 12nm Ryzen & Vega chips expected in the first half of next year..
..2018 is shaping up to be a pretty exciting year for graphics with [Nvidia] Volta, [AMD] 12nm Vega, [AMD] 7nm Navi all making their debut in one form or another..
AMD Ryzen 2 Set For March 2018 Launch On 12nm – To Support Higher Core & Memory Clock Speeds
The new lineup comprised of 2000 series Ryzen 7, Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 2000 microprocessors is said to bring higher clock speeds and better overclockability to the table in addition to support for faster DDR4 RAM..
These parts will go against Intel’s upcoming 9000 series, which our sources tell us to expect around June’ish next year. Intel’s 9000 series will bring 8 cores to the mainstream..
..we could see Ryzen frequencies pushed to anywhere between 4.2-4.4GHz on the high-end..
Intel is going 8 cores "mainstream" -- so they say. As noted over and over in this thread, core count is the future of CPUs and games.
I'll consider buying one of the 12nm Ryzens and give my wife my current Ryzen. I won't "see" the difference with 12nm, only "measure" it. If I get one, it will be for the fun of it.