#4392366 - 12/01/17 01:48 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Why are the DCS forums by far the busiest forums on Sim Hq?
Much busier than Falcon 4/BMS. Much busier than IL2 Battle of Stalingrad.
The only forum that even comes close is the General Community Forum.
I find that intriguing. Let me clear that up. Because folk are busy enjoying those titles. The BoS section was pretty busy when it first rolled out because of the unlocks debacle. But 1c/777 listened to their customers. ED on the otherhand dont listen. They ban any customer that dares to voice their displeasure on their own forums and any other forum. They ban folk for pointing out mistakes with their "we know more than you do. We dont care if youve actually worked on a real A10. We're right you're wrong, you're banned" folk have paid a pretty penny for DCS products and they remain unfinished while new modules are rolled out. That is why this section is by far the busiest. It is because ED are inept. Wagner would be better served sorting out the ineptitude of the development cycle and forum moderators and listen to paying customers than writing some BS letter that tries to paper over the glaring chasms.
DCS Kickstarter Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable." Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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#4392373 - 12/01/17 02:15 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Why are the DCS forums by far the busiest forums on Sim Hq?
Much busier than Falcon 4/BMS. Much busier than IL2 Battle of Stalingrad.
The only forum that even comes close is the General Community Forum.
I find that intriguing. Let me clear that up. Because folk are busy enjoying those titles. The BoS section was pretty busy when it first rolled out because of the unlocks debacle. But 1c/777 listened to their customers. ED on the otherhand dont listen. They ban any customer that dares to voice their displeasure on their own forums and any other forum. They ban folk for pointing out mistakes with their "we know more than you do. We dont care if youve actually worked on a real A10. We're right you're wrong, you're banned" folk have paid a pretty penny for DCS products and they remain unfinished while new modules are rolled out. That is why this section is by far the busiest. It is because ED are inept. Wagner would be better served sorting out the ineptitude of the development cycle and forum moderators and listen to paying customers than writing some BS letter that tries to paper over the glaring chasms. LOL!!! Again with the ass backwards logic. The more people are talking about a product, the worse it is... You're really funny people.
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#4392376 - 12/01/17 02:23 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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The Sim Hq DCS community is for the most part a Self-Licking Ice Cream Cone. It’s a real pity. Was a great place in the good old days.
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#4392379 - 12/01/17 02:34 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Why are the DCS forums by far the busiest forums on Sim Hq?
Much busier than Falcon 4/BMS. Much busier than IL2 Battle of Stalingrad.
The only forum that even comes close is the General Community Forum.
I find that intriguing. Let me clear that up. Because folk are busy enjoying those titles. The BoS section was pretty busy when it first rolled out because of the unlocks debacle. But 1c/777 listened to their customers. ED on the otherhand dont listen. They ban any customer that dares to voice their displeasure on their own forums and any other forum. They ban folk for pointing out mistakes with their "we know more than you do. We dont care if youve actually worked on a real A10. We're right you're wrong, you're banned" folk have paid a pretty penny for DCS products and they remain unfinished while new modules are rolled out. That is why this section is by far the busiest. It is because ED are inept. Wagner would be better served sorting out the ineptitude of the development cycle and forum moderators and listen to paying customers than writing some BS letter that tries to paper over the glaring chasms. LOL!!! Again with the ass backwards logic. The more people are talking about a product, the worse it is... You're really funny people. Whers the triple facepalm meme when one needs one. Just shaking my head.
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DCS Kickstarter Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable." Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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#4392380 - 12/01/17 02:34 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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The Sim Hq DCS community is for the most part a Self-Licking Ice Cream Cone. It’s a real pity. Was a great place in the good old days. And yet here you are.
DCS Kickstarter Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable." Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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#4392382 - 12/01/17 02:39 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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The Sim Hq DCS community is for the most part a Self-Licking Ice Cream Cone. It’s a real pity. Was a great place in the good old days. And yet here you are. Trying to lend some objectivity to proceedings in case a newcomer to the genre stumbles upon these forums and takes the rantings of the 5 or so regular noise-makers of the SimHQ DCS forums at face-value......... That would be an even greater pity. So yeah, here I am.
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#4392384 - 12/01/17 02:44 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Whers the triple facepalm meme when one needs one. Exactly.
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#4392385 - 12/01/17 02:49 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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The Sim Hq DCS community is for the most part a Self-Licking Ice Cream Cone. It’s a real pity. Was a great place in the good old days. And yet here you are. Trying to lend some objectivity to proceedings in case a newcomer to the genre stumbles upon these forums and takes the rantings of the 5 or so regular noise-makers of the SimHQ DCS forums at face-value......... That would be an even greater pity. So yeah, here I am. I would think newcomers to DCS would visit the ED forums first. Im sure the smell of roses and general feeling of warm fuzzyness over there will sway their decision. No objectivity but hey its the possitive no objectivity right?
DCS Kickstarter Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable." Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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#4392386 - 12/01/17 02:51 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Thank God that's not needed at ED forums where thruth and nothing but the thruth is served. And two wrongs all of a sudden makes a right? Persons can elect whether to act like a horses ass or otherwise. There is really no excuse for some or nearly all of the crap that is posted here, some of it blatantly untrue. Now I know that there is nothing anybody can do about it - freedom of speech and all that. What can be done is to provide clarity where needed so that the bovine-doodoo that is sometime served up over here is diluted to mildly palatable proportions, especially for newcomers, as stated.
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#4392392 - 12/01/17 03:08 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Thank God that's not needed at ED forums where thruth and nothing but the thruth is served. And two wrongs all of a sudden makes a right? Persons can elect whether to act like a horses ass or otherwise. There is really no excuse for some or nearly all of the crap that is posted here, some of it blatantly untrue. Now I know that there is nothing anybody can do about it - freedom of speech and all that. What can be done is to provide clarity where needed so that the bovine-doodoo that is sometime served up over here is diluted to mildly palatable proportions, especially for newcomers, as stated. You want to point out some of the "blatently untrue crap" you see posted here?
DCS Kickstarter Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable." Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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#4392393 - 12/01/17 03:11 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Thank God that's not needed at ED forums where thruth and nothing but the thruth is served. And two wrongs all of a sudden makes a right? Persons can elect whether to act like a horses ass or otherwise. There is really no excuse for some or nearly all of the crap that is posted here, some of it blatantly untrue. Now I know that there is nothing anybody can do about it - freedom of speech and all that. What can be done is to provide clarity where needed so that the bovine-doodoo that is sometime served up over here is diluted to mildly palatable proportions, especially for newcomers, as stated. You want to point out some of the "blatently untrue crap" you see posted here? I call them as I see them. If you want further info then please feel free to stalk my posts. Don’t expect me to spoonfeed you information - I really don’t have the time nor the inclination, sorry.
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#4392394 - 12/01/17 03:14 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Thank God that's not needed at ED forums where thruth and nothing but the thruth is served. And two wrongs all of a sudden makes a right? Persons can elect whether to act like a horses ass or otherwise. There is really no excuse for some or nearly all of the crap that is posted here, some of it blatantly untrue. Now I know that there is nothing anybody can do about it - freedom of speech and all that. What can be done is to provide clarity where needed so that the bovine-doodoo that is sometime served up over here is diluted to mildly palatable proportions, especially for newcomers, as stated. You want to point out some of the "blatently untrue crap" you see posted here? I call them as I see them. If you want further info then please feel free to stalk my posts. Don’t expect me to spoonfeed you information - I really don’t have the time nor the inclination, sorry. C'mon man, if you're gonna throw around accusations you're gonna have to back them up otherwise folk are just gonna think you're a troll. So where are the blatently untrue posts?
DCS Kickstarter Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable." Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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#4392401 - 12/01/17 03:30 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Let me clear that up. Because folk are busy enjoying those titles. The BoS section was pretty busy when it first rolled out because of the unlocks debacle. But 1c/777 listened to their customers. ED on the otherhand dont listen. They ban any customer that dares to voice their displeasure on their own forums and any other forum. They ban folk for pointing out mistakes with their "we know more than you do. We dont care if youve actually worked on a real A10. We're right you're wrong, you're banned" folk have paid a pretty penny for DCS products and they remain unfinished while new modules are rolled out. That is why this section is by far the busiest. It is because ED are inept. Wagner would be better served sorting out the ineptitude of the development cycle and forum moderators and listen to paying customers than writing some BS letter that tries to paper over the glaring chasms.
ED have listened. From what I remember DCS WWII modules were supposed to be a separate game. Customer feedback changed this. They've also added some specifically requested features into the ME like control of certain AI behaviors and aircraft skin previews. The initial release of the DCS updated saw them putting out rapid fire updates based on user feedback. To say that ED does not listen is out right wrong. Now of course they can't answer every customer request, so some go unasnwered, but that's a limitation of reality. As far as being banned for saying anything negative, if that was the case then I don't know how I'm still allowed to login. I point out flaws with DCS AI, ME limitations, physics issues, etc. I've even directly contradicted the opinions of some moderators. I don't always agree with ED, but I haven't seen them go out of their way to ban people. In the past they were overly strict with forum moderation, I'll agree with that. It has improved in recent times though. To be upset with ED is perfectly fine. They've made their fair share of mistakes and confusing decisions. I don't see why things have to be blown out of proportion though. On the new DRM. I like the system we have already. I don't really see any benefit to the change. Having to check in every so often is more of a hassle than entering keys once or twice, and I'm sure I'll run into an internet issue at a bad time at least once and possibly be locked out of the sim.
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#4392408 - 12/01/17 03:45 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Hello Everyone, If you have a active Eagle Dynamics Forum Account or, willing to create one, Please vote what you feel is an acceptable period of time you can be without connectivity and still use DCS World Offline before having to re-verify your account. Please only vote there so we have only raw numbers to voice to Eagle Dynamics. Not a thread full of comments My Poll: Poll Eagle Dynamics New DRM Expiration Period Limit
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#4392411 - 12/01/17 03:50 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Hi Monnie Rock , Can you edit the poll and add an extra choice
Infinite - just keep using the Starforce system we have now it just works fine
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#4392414 - 12/01/17 03:53 PM
Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch
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Infinite - just keep using the Starforce sytem we have now it just works fine LOL. Anybody remember the Mig-21? Aren't you being a bit liberal with the truth here just to bang your own drum?
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Exodus
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