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#4392285 - 12/01/17 02:47 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
Im sure it smells of roses up there


History repeats itself over there - easy to predict a pattern. As said previously, Starforce drivers = meltdown. Proactive = another meltdown.

And here we still are.

I wonder why.


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#4392286 - 12/01/17 02:51 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Yes i wonder too.


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Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
#4392288 - 12/01/17 03:03 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: 159th_Viper]  
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Originally Posted by 159th_Viper
Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
The "how long before its no longer financially viable to continue due to lack of customers" clock.


27 years of history and no indication of any hiccups so no reason to worry now.


Gather 100 DCS users, start doing stand-up comedy and drop that line - guaranteed laughs smile


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#4392291 - 12/01/17 03:30 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: IceecI]  
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Originally Posted by IceecI
Originally Posted by 159th_Viper
Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
The "how long before its no longer financially viable to continue due to lack of customers" clock.


27 years of history and no indication of any hiccups so no reason to worry now.


Gather 100 DCS users, start doing stand-up comedy and drop that line - guaranteed laughs smile


And a thousand nods of agreement smile

It's not all one way or the highway - there's always another side to every story.


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#4392312 - 12/01/17 08:14 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Monnie Rock]  
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Originally Posted by Monnie Rock
Originally Posted by 159th_Viper


Not trying to put fires out at all - just attempting to separate the wheat from the chaff and get real concerns put forward to the Devs which would otherwise be drowned out by the illogical, unconstructive rants of the vocal few as is usually the case when change is contemplated.


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Are you officially associated with Eagle Dynamics in any role? e.g. a beta tester, a mod, etc?



Not any more, he was one of the "mods" over there for a while
He had to be retired after wearing out his Ban Hammer banning thousands of people



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#4392316 - 12/01/17 09:36 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Wow, what to say.......i don't want to read 11 pages of comments but i bet there are people here and moreover in ED forums somehow defending this practice.....

#4392319 - 12/01/17 10:09 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: 159th_Viper]  
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Originally Posted by 159th_Viper
History repeats itself over there - easy to predict a pattern. As said previously, Starforce drivers = meltdown. Proactive = another meltdown.

And here we still are.

I wonder why.


2 reasons;

1: ED don’t learn from their mistakes
2: The incompetence on display for desktop products is bankrolled from commercial/military products

Otherwise Wags wouldn’t have to release a public statement crying about why the company he works for are so poor at their jobs and begging half of his existing customer base not to jump ship to 1C-777/BOx.


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#4392321 - 12/01/17 10:24 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Well, that's a weird way to read the letter by Wags... Truly unbiased.

Are you still playing the game Paradaz?

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#4392322 - 12/01/17 10:25 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Basically any good will from Matts "Letter from the bottom of my heart"
Has been p1ssed away with the DRM debacle that is on going

Deceptive or inept ? Not sure which is true .....
how come
No mention of the new DRM when people might have been pre-purchasing the Harrier

Response from ED minions ... Matt wrote the letter the management team wrote the DRM

Do they not communicate ? Surely there would be an email trail , minutes of meetings etc showing that this was discussed



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#4392323 - 12/01/17 10:27 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
The "how long before its no longer financially viable to continue due to lack of customers" clock.


According to people here ED should have been closed due to financial problems years ago... Meanwhile, according to steamcharts, the amount of people playing the steam version of DCS is almost double of that of Il-2 BoS, even if it is a small sample. You people here clearly represent just a minority of the sim community.

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#4392328 - 12/01/17 11:14 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
The "how long before its no longer financially viable to continue due to lack of customers" clock.



Military contracts will always keep them afloat.

End users will always suffer an ED will continue to be propped up by shills & minions.

...I haven't touched dcs for a year...but it seems little has changed.

#4392329 - 12/01/17 11:24 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: FartHog]  
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Yes, it's just shills, minions, and the thousands of people that buy their products.

Originally Posted by FartHog

...I haven't touched dcs for a year...but it seems little has changed.



Well, if FartHog hasn't played for over a year, that can only mean that the game is dying.

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#4392333 - 12/01/17 11:41 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: FartHog]  
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Originally Posted by FartHog


ED will continue to be propped up by shills & minions.



...I rest my case.

#4392334 - 12/01/17 11:51 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Oooh, what an argument... Everyone who doesn't take part in the SimHQ anti ED circle jerk is a shill and a minion. Fantastic logic! By that logic, everyone that hates DCS is a shill of 777.

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#4392336 - 12/01/17 11:54 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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I'm not arguing...you are.

#4392338 - 12/01/17 12:10 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Why are the DCS forums by far the busiest forums on Sim Hq?

Much busier than Falcon 4/BMS. Much busier than IL2 Battle of Stalingrad.

The only forum that even comes close is the General Community Forum.

I find that intriguing.

#4392339 - 12/01/17 12:14 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: FartHog]  
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Originally Posted by FartHog
I'm not arguing...you are.


Then I don't think you know what "I rest my case" means.

#4392342 - 12/01/17 12:32 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: 159th_Viper]  
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Originally Posted by 159th_Viper
Originally Posted by Monnie Rock
Originally Posted by 159th_Viper
Originally Posted by Speyer
Just LOL at Sith and Viper (not even a mod there I think) trying to put the multiple fires out on the DCS forum. It's a terrible drm system, and a bait and switch bringing it in after people had bought the AV8.


Not trying to put fires out at all - just attempting to separate the wheat from the chaff and get real concerns put forward to the Devs which would otherwise be drowned out by the illogical, unconstructive rants of the vocal few as is usually the case when change is contemplated.



Are you officially associated with Eagle Dynamics in any role? e.g. a beta tester, a mod, etc?


No.

Not associated at all, apart from being a satisfied consumer, that is.


#%&*$#! Absolute #%&*$#!

After deleting posts where I obviously made things difficult for the Chuckle Brothers over in the USSR, a certain somebody wasn't very quick with editing in the reason for post deletion, and what was displayed? Deleted by, yes, you guessed it, 159th_Viper. Unfortunately, it's now been edited away. So unless he's had his "MODERATOR RIGHTS REVOKED" somebody just told a massive porkie because he actually has moderator powers.

Furthermore, guess who's listed in numerous, including fairly recent, credit sections published by ED themselves? One certain Gavin “159th_Viper” Torr.

Definitely not a moderator, and definitely not a tester.

#4392345 - 12/01/17 12:43 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Hellfire257]  
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Originally Posted by Hellfire257


Definitely not a moderator, and definitely not a tester.


Secret Police ?

#4392348 - 12/01/17 01:05 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Hellfire257]  
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Originally Posted by Hellfire257


#%&*$#! Absolute #%&*$#!


The diatribe you just posted?

Absolutely. Grade 1 #%&*$# indeed. Straight outta Main Street. But then that’s conduct becoming these days it would seem over here.

What a pity.

As I stated, it’s been years since I ceased being a moderator over at ED forums but hey, continue waving the SimHQ anti-ED flag.

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