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#4392255 - 12/01/17 01:34 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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I wonder. The negativity towards ED and DCS world over the last 5 or so years? The reputation they have garnered over that period. Now this? They are hemorrhaging good will and customers.


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Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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#4392259 - 12/01/17 01:39 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
I wonder.....


Myself.

We’ll never know, unless they turn around and declare bankruptcy or the like tomorrow.


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#4392260 - 12/01/17 01:43 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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It wont be tomorrow.


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Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
#4392261 - 12/01/17 01:45 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
It wont be tomorrow.


The man is prescient.


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#4392262 - 12/01/17 01:51 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
It wont be tomorrow.


Well then we have another day of entertainment guaranteed.

Good times!


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#4392263 - 12/01/17 01:51 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: 159th_Viper]  
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Originally Posted by 159th_Viper


Not trying to put fires out at all - just attempting to separate the wheat from the chaff and get real concerns put forward to the Devs which would otherwise be drowned out by the illogical, unconstructive rants of the vocal few as is usually the case when change is contemplated.


Viper
Are you officially associated with Eagle Dynamics in any role? e.g. a beta tester, a mod, etc?

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#4392265 - 12/01/17 02:00 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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I think viper has missed the point.
Its not so much the system its the selling of a product then 2 days later changing the "terms of use"
I dont know what car you drive but how would your opinion of the manufacturer change if they told you you have to now turn up at the dealership every 3 weeks or you wont be able to drive it? Im pretty sure your next car would be made by a totaly different company.


DCS Kickstarter
Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
#4392266 - 12/01/17 02:01 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Monnie Rock]  
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Originally Posted by Monnie Rock
Originally Posted by 159th_Viper
Originally Posted by Speyer
Just LOL at Sith and Viper (not even a mod there I think) trying to put the multiple fires out on the DCS forum. It's a terrible drm system, and a bait and switch bringing it in after people had bought the AV8.


Not trying to put fires out at all - just attempting to separate the wheat from the chaff and get real concerns put forward to the Devs which would otherwise be drowned out by the illogical, unconstructive rants of the vocal few as is usually the case when change is contemplated.



Are you officially associated with Eagle Dynamics in any role? e.g. a beta tester, a mod, etc?


No.

Not associated at all, apart from being a satisfied consumer, that is.


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#4392267 - 12/01/17 02:08 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Viper,

Thank you for the reply.

I can now ignore all your nonconstructive vocal rants against paying customers since you are a nonofficial spokesperson.



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#4392270 - 12/01/17 02:15 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Monnie Rock]  
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Originally Posted by Monnie Rock
Viper,

Thank you for the reply.

I can now ignore all your nonconstructive vocal rants against paying customers since you are a nonofficial spokesperson.


Of course you can - that’s your prerogative.


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#4392271 - 12/01/17 02:15 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
I wonder. The negativity towards ED and DCS world over the last 5 or so years? The reputation they have garnered over that period. Now this? They are hemorrhaging good will and customers.


What reputation? This is literally the only place that is throwing a hissy fit over this. And this place has stopped being relevant to DCS since the trolls took over.

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#4392273 - 12/01/17 02:19 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Remon]  
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Originally Posted by Remon


What reputation? This is literally the only place that is throwing a hissy fit over this. And this place has stopped being relevant to DCS since the trolls took over.



Unsure if you are aware or not of this thread at Eagle Dynamics Forums that is up to 348 posts at the time of this reply.



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#4392274 - 12/01/17 02:21 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Monnie Rock]  
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Originally Posted by Monnie Rock
Originally Posted by Remon


What reputation? This is literally the only place that is throwing a hissy fit over this. And this place has stopped being relevant to DCS since the trolls took over.



Unsure if you are aware or not of this thread at Eagle Dynamics Forums that is up to 348 posts at the time of this reply.


That does not qualify as a hissy fit, merely a debate among like minded consumers. biggrin


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#4392276 - 12/01/17 02:25 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Monnie Rock]  
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Originally Posted by Monnie Rock
Originally Posted by Remon


What reputation? This is literally the only place that is throwing a hissy fit over this. And this place has stopped being relevant to DCS since the trolls took over.



Unsure if you are aware or not of this thread at Eagle Dynamics Forums that is up to 348 posts at the time of this reply.


Thanks to that thread the time period is already under review. A couple of other considerations have also been forwarded to ED for further contemplation.


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#4392277 - 12/01/17 02:27 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: cichlidfan]  
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Originally Posted by cichlidfan
Originally Posted by Monnie Rock
Originally Posted by Remon


What reputation? This is literally the only place that is throwing a hissy fit over this. And this place has stopped being relevant to DCS since the trolls took over.



Unsure if you are aware or not of this thread at Eagle Dynamics Forums that is up to 348 posts at the time of this reply.


That does not qualify as a hissy fit, merely a debate among like minded consumers. biggrin


Ain’t that the truth - there’s been much worse lol biggrin


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#4392278 - 12/01/17 02:28 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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The "can't meet a deadline, unfinished for years, glacial development, abysmal customer service, abysmal customer relations, liars, unresponsive to feedback etc, etc" reputation.
Oh they're throwing a "hissy fit" over on the ED forums too. Maybe all y'all need to collectively get your heads out of your backsides before its too late. the clock is ticking. Tick tock
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DCS Kickstarter
Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
#4392279 - 12/01/17 02:29 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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What clock?

And as cichlidfan said above, discussion!=hissy fit.

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#4392280 - 12/01/17 02:35 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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The "how long before its no longer financially viable to continue due to lack of customers" clock.


DCS Kickstarter
Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
#4392283 - 12/01/17 02:39 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
The "how long before its no longer financially viable to continue due to lack of customers" clock.


27 years of history and no indication of any hiccups so no reason to worry now.


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#4392284 - 12/01/17 02:40 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Im sure it smells of roses up there


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Wags July 2014 "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable."
Wags October 2017 "the investment vs. generated revenue has been excellent for the World War II aircraft. In fact, the P-51D Mustang has twice the cost effectiveness of the A-10C Warthog."
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