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#4391988 - 11/30/17 07:37 AM Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch  
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So ED wait until after everyone who might have pre-ordered the harrier has paid .....

Then drops the bombshell of we have stuck a new copy protection system that has to phone home every 4 days or your software stop working!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Sorry Tom forgot the link

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3304775#post3304775

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#4391991 - 11/30/17 08:54 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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I was a bit suprised to see that they are now also collecting "anonymous" data from us with the new update. What data are they collecting from us and how is it anonymous if I have to log in?

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#4391992 - 11/30/17 09:16 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Yup buy new plane. Install spyware, and denuvo(?) . Will be happy.
Hahahaha
Bye bye dcs

#4391993 - 11/30/17 09:33 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Seriously?
Maybe someone need to think if it's time to arrange for a new producer?
Starts to look like I will never get to use the messiah of 2.5

#4391994 - 11/30/17 09:34 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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link ?

#4392001 - 11/30/17 10:28 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Way over in Perth, Western Aus...
Just looked Denuvo up - it sounds horrible...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo


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#4392002 - 11/30/17 10:29 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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"With the release of the AV-8B today, it is import to know that this will be the first DCS World product that uses our new protection system. Rather than use StarForce keys, we are moving to a “keyless” system which binds your purchase to your www.dcs-world.com username, and NOT a key. You will not need a constant internet connection either. The new system will just “phone home” after a four day period or the next time you log into DCS World."

So am I getting this correct?

"we are moving to a “keyless” system which binds your purchase to your www.dcs-world.com username" - and it wasn't earlier? Keys are bound to your username, meaning your username is bound to your purhase, meaning all purchases have always been bound to username.

"You will not need a constant internet connection either. The new system will just “phone home” after a four day period or the next time you log into DCS World." - You don't need internet connection, software just phones home.

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#4392004 - 11/30/17 10:29 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Way over in Perth, Western Aus...
Just looked Denuvo up - it sounds horrible...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo


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#4392005 - 11/30/17 10:37 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Denuvo has infected games and computers many years. Nice to have some new rootkits, and for free! It's also been reported that it causes system performance drops, but that don't affect DCS because it's so well optimized. Good thing to have since DCS is also one of the most cracked PC games ever...
Way to go ED.


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#4392006 - 11/30/17 10:40 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Well ed always use worst copy protection method, we will see what will be now.

#4392008 - 11/30/17 10:52 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Denuvo seems to be an SSD killer like Spotify and such heavy writer apps.
If this is the new clothes for all upcoming modules my Viggen most surely will be my last DCS module.
(but in all honesty I think it was well before this announcement)

#4392010 - 11/30/17 10:55 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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So IF you are offline for more than 4 days ..... no DCS World

Or if your day 4 happens on one of the DCS master server down days .... no DCS World for you

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#4392011 - 11/30/17 11:03 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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read the link, thanks

I am not buying anything
and I am not eager to try 2.5
so I guess I'll delay updating 2.1

until we have more complete information about it, with copy protection it is always good to let others more eager than you try it first.

#4392013 - 11/30/17 11:16 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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I see everyone has their tinfoil hat on. popcorn

#4392014 - 11/30/17 11:17 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: XIII]  
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Originally Posted by the soupdragon
I was a bit suprised to see that they are now also collecting "anonymous" data from us with the new update. What data are they collecting from us and how is it anonymous if I have to log in?


Collecting data? Source?


Originally Posted by XIII
Yup buy new plane. Install spyware, and denuvo(?) . Will be happy.
Hahahaha
Bye bye dcs


Do you have a source that the new copy protection scheme will be using Denuvo DRM?

#4392016 - 11/30/17 11:29 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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No. But i know dcs. I bet another new drm will be also horrible for people.

#4392018 - 11/30/17 11:30 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted by Sobek
Originally Posted by the soupdragon
I was a bit suprised to see that they are now also collecting "anonymous" data from us with the new update. What data are they collecting from us and how is it anonymous if I have to log in?


Collecting data? Source?

Options menu?

Originally Posted by XIII
Yup buy new plane. Install spyware, and denuvo(?) . Will be happy.
Hahahaha
Bye bye dcs


Do you have a source that the new copy protection scheme will be using Denuvo DRM?


What other program injected in games today does that?


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#4392019 - 11/30/17 11:33 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: Sobek]  
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Q: "...if i pass more than 4 day without internet i lost the posibility of use my modules? when i reconect to the dcs server i recover this?"
A: "We certainly consider such a possibility. We will keep you informed when plans evolve."
Really? Thanks ED for the possibility to MAYBE use your paid modules without internet connection. Very nice from you to take this in consideration. Not that we have any rights to be able to use them AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT!

Q: "To clarify, if one is without Internet for longer than four days, a connection will then be required to resume playing, after that four days is up?"
A: no answer

Q: "So to be clear on this new protection Once modules are activated and you do not connect to the internet again things will work ok for the end user ? "
A: no answer

And since when it was legal to change terms of purchase after the buyer has bought the product?
We bought the modules knowing that it needs internet connection to activate, we were not informed that it needs internet connection also later on, they didn't inform that, doesn't matter if they didn't plan/know that when selling the module. Fact is we now have a new system stucked into our throats. We weren't informed of that, so we bought the modules with false information. ED is obligated to refund every module if buyer so wants. Well that is if the companies weren't "above the law" in a perfect world.
Also it's pretty weird that they avoid using the curse word called "Denuvo" for some reason. The "new protection system" it is, apparently they know that people know about Denuvo.


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#4392027 - 11/30/17 11:59 AM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: IceecI]  
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Originally Posted by IceecI
Originally Posted by Sobek
Originally Posted by the soupdragon
I was a bit suprised to see that they are now also collecting "anonymous" data from us with the new update. What data are they collecting from us and how is it anonymous if I have to log in?


Collecting data? Source?

Options menu?

Originally Posted by Sobek
Originally Posted by XIII
Yup buy new plane. Install spyware, and denuvo(?) . Will be happy.
Hahahaha
Bye bye dcs


Do you have a source that the new copy protection scheme will be using Denuvo DRM?


What other program injected in games today does that?


It would certainly be easier to list software that doesn't do this than the other way around. Even your browser collects your usage data. I don't see you running around claiming that Denuvo is part of your browser.

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#4392029 - 11/30/17 12:03 PM Re: Eagle Dynamics - New protection system = the very definition of Bait and switch [Re: leaf_on_the_wind]  
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Is it Denuvo? What a horrible system, looks like my DCS purchases just became completely useless, as no way would I knowingly install a product that uses it:
''Some consumers have alleged that Denuvo Anti-Tamper shortens the lifetime of solid-state drives (SSDs) by writing an excessive amount of data to the drive.Denuvo Software Solutions claims that "Denuvo Anti-Tamper does not constantly read or write any data to storage media," calling it a "wrong rumor", since it doesn't perform read or write operations.Games with Denuvo Anti-Tamper state in EULA that "certain files of the anti-tamper technology may remain even after the product is uninstalled from your computer."

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