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#4377467 - 09/02/17 01:51 AM A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes; How To Easily Know If A Snake You See is Venemous From Safe Distance in U.S.  
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I first saw a Texas Blue Indigo snake near our geology professors house in Kingsville, TX. We tried to catch it but it was very quick. They are non-poisonous but you do have a chance of feeling its teeth if you grab one. The one we saw was an easy 8.5 feet long.

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#4377483 - 09/02/17 05:31 AM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: Haggart]  
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Good Lord... I didn't know such a thing existed. I googled it to make sure you weren't putting me on... I was going to accuse you of photoshopping this! Ugghhh.

I feel the same way about snakes as Dr. Henry Jones, Jr.

After looking up Kingsville, I have to ask how you were affected by Harvey? (EDIT: I see the other thread in CH that you started... will read that)

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#4377486 - 09/02/17 05:55 AM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: Haggart]  
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Where Panzer lives in Florida you have

Eastern Indigo Snake
https://srelherp.uga.edu/snakes/drycou.htm


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#4377487 - 09/02/17 06:10 AM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: Haggart]  
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Well you're just starting to list where I've been stationed! wink

Texas - Lackland (well not stationed, but BMT AND tech school, so I was there about 7 mos)
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If I see a snake, there's going to be two movements: a bowel movement and a physical movement! $HIT! RUN! SNAKE!


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#4377533 - 09/02/17 02:35 PM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: Haggart]  
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Most snakes that you encounter RogueSqdn in the U.S. will be harmless. That includes the indigo snake. It's very easy to know the poisonous snakes. In Texas we have a little over 20 different species of rattlesnakes - the ones you are most likely to come across however have the typical thick body with the somewhat triangular shaped head common in the pit vipers.

Cottonmouth = pit viper
Eastern & Western diamonback rattlesnakes = pit viper (plus the smaller species of rattlesnakes)
Copperhead = pit viper

Coral snake is not a pit viper and is much smaller and does not have the characteristic head shape of the pit viper. They are very shy snakes and will not strike out at you - you are not likely to be bitten by one unless you maybe step on one or attempt to handle it. Even then it is not easy for them to bite you as they do not have long fangs and have small mouths. Do not confuse them with a few other snakes that have the same colors ..... a coral snake is easy to tell .....look at their colors and just remember "RED & YELLOW KILL A FELLOW." If the red color is next to the yellow - its a coral snake.

That's it - that's all the poisonous species in the U.S. ! ALL OTHER NATIVE SNAKES IN THE U.S. ARE NON-POISONOUS

milk snake - notice the red is not next to the yellow = harmless
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coral snake red color directly next to the yellow = poisonous
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Pit vipers (rattlers, cotton mouth, copperheads) as I've said share some easily recognizable physical characteristics; use the link below its very good at showing you the difference in the head shape of the typical North American pit viper vs other snakes

http://www.rattlesnakes.com/info/shapes.html






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#4377535 - 09/02/17 03:10 PM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: Haggart]  
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Oh I know the poisonous ones. Had a cottonmouth pop out of a creek 3 feet from me when I was in third grade. I've also seen a few rattlers up close. Never ran into a copperhead or coral snake.

Speaking of snakes though, I was thinking of getting a few rounds of 9mm snakeshot. Would I be wasting money or does that stuff work out of a pistol?


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#4377544 - 09/02/17 03:25 PM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: Haggart]  
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Well I'm no member of PETA but without our snake friends there would be a LOT more mice and rats running around - rats can spread disease and how many snakes spread disease ? It's a shame that people would kill other creatures for "fun" or because they don't want to learn anything about them.

Yes you would be wasting your money - go see a good movie instead cheers


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#4377545 - 09/02/17 03:34 PM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: RogueSqdn]  
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Originally Posted by RogueSqdn
Oh I know the poisonous ones. Had a cottonmouth pop out of a creek 3 feet from me when I was in third grade. I've also seen a few rattlers up close. Never ran into a copperhead or coral snake.

Speaking of snakes though, I was thinking of getting a few rounds of 9mm snakeshot. Would I be wasting money or does that stuff work out of a pistol?



Well, it will go bang, so if you aim well the first shot should do the trick. Whether that stuff will reliably cycle a semi-automatic pistol... you just need to try it and see. If you have a suitable revolver, then you have one less concern with using that type of ammo.

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Thanks guys. I wouldn't be doing that for fun, only if we had a poisonous one around the house. The only one that's come around in the 2 years I've been in my house was a black snake that I chased off with a snow shovel.


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#4377553 - 09/02/17 04:38 PM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: RogueSqdn]  
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i would have picked it up and tossed it out - in our herpetology field trips we would ride on top of Dr. Chaney's truck at Welder Wildlife Refuge. From 50 feet away we could spot a snake on the dirt road. The driver would stop after seeing our hand signal - we would jump off the hood and run up to the snake and attempt to grab it before it would start to bite. From 30 feet away we could already tell if it was poisonous or not. The worst biters were the rat snakes.

there are a good number of Rat Snakes but they are non-venemous, however they can and will bite and draw blood if you don't grab them close enough behind their head

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#4377559 - 09/02/17 05:22 PM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: Haggart]  
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Like most folks when I see a snake I back away not taking time to see if red meets yellow band or what ever..Don't own a gun by choice but have a machete if needed..Snaks do serve a pourpose in the food chain eating rats and stuff so i just leave them alone


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#4377567 - 09/02/17 07:04 PM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: Haggart]  
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I like snakes. I spent many years in and around the pet industry, either working or just associating with others involved. I have kept a few and cared for many and been bitten far too many times to count. A clean bite, fangs in and out, is not an issue, hardly hurts at all and heals quite quickly. The bad bites come from the natural reaction to pull away, allowing the fangs to rip through tissue.

The really big boas and pythons, 8 foot plus, are generally quite docile. They aren't afraid of you and they have no interest in trying to eat you so they behave well. The babies will strike at almost anything but their teeth are too small to be an issue. The only time I was ever bitten by a large one happened when an idiot brought an injured (rat bite) reticulated python into the shop to ask if it needed medical attention. While examining it my finger slipped into the wound and upset the snake. Two puncture wounds in the back of my hand were the total damage and I sent him to a proper herp vet.


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#4377570 - 09/02/17 07:39 PM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: Haggart]  
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I have a big fear of snakes. Around here we used to see the occasional Fox snake or Gardener snake. That was it. My Dad said they had Blue Racer snakes in southwest Pennsylvania when he was growing up. He said they would actually chase you on occasion. The only time I ever seen a poisonous snake in real life (other than a zoo) was in Nelsonville Ohio. A cotton mouth just slithered right thru a fence and right past all of us sitting at a picnic table. Freaked me right out.


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#4377612 - 09/03/17 01:17 AM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: Haggart]  
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Would you be afraid of the Texas Glass Lizard that can slither very rapidly through the brush and can grow to 40" in length and they look like snakes because they have no legs.

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I'm too lazy to research... what makes the TX Glass Lizard not a snake. Aren't lizards cold blooded also?

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#4377619 - 09/03/17 02:26 AM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: Falstar]  
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Originally Posted by Falstar
I'm too lazy to research... what makes the TX Glass Lizard not a snake. Aren't lizards cold blooded also?


Some basic differences include eye coverings, which snakes do not have. Lizards have ears while snakes do not. Another difference that is not easily observable is that Glass Lizards can detach their tail, like most lizards, while a snake cannot.

I have only handled a couple of glass lizards but I can say that they are more rigid than snakes. They feel like they have a body and a tail as opposed to a snake which seems to be equally flexible over it's entire length.

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If you don't like snakes come and live in Ireland Saint patrick chased all the snakes out. LoL
Actually we do have an indigenous small grass snake here in Ireland but its rare to find one
When i lived in the UK. i seen a adder once. frightened the #%&*$# out of me. LoL
No problems with spiders and the like but hate snakes.
I wonder are the many poisonous ones in Europe

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and this is one of the many reasons why I continue to live in New England and deal with the winter weather which might last a month or two. No hurricanes like down south, very rarely will we ever see a tornado. One did come through some years back and killed a lady about 20 mins from my house though.
We have a Timer Rattler but very rare to find, only see the garder and water snakes the most while out hiking. Sharks are becoming a bigger siting on Cape Cod, but I don't enter the ocean so don't need to worry about them.

If and when we snow bird to AZ when we retire then I'll have to start worrying about snakes then...


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#4377943 - 09/05/17 03:29 PM Re: A Rare Texas Snake - They Eat Rattlesnakes [Re: Haggart]  
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why not retire in western NC near the mountains ? you have family in AZ ?


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