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#4373185 - 08/07/17 07:18 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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If Jamie is captured, I think Tyrion will do whatever he can to have him let go. He has class 12 plot armor, definitively. He could serve as emissary to Cersei, but how will he believe Jon? Until there are actual White Walkers beyond the wall, Cersei has no motivation to do anything. You heard her say her goal is to have control over every single person on Westeros, not save them. What are they to fear? She does not have dragons, but she has Wildfire.

i do not see any diplomacy happening. Think about how much difference and antagonism is between these two sides. No way.

Cersei would rather ask for Tyrion's head before she agrees to allow the Targaryen to steal her throne. There is no love or justice there. She will not care if Tyrion killed Joffrey or not, he still killed Tywin. Littlefinger is a traitor on her eyes too, and even if she sees Sansa as a non-threat, she was never on her side when Joffrey was torturing her psychologically. Sansa will never make peace with Cersei. Arya will never make peace with the Lannisters after the Red Wedding and her father's death.

I think the decisive battle with the White Walkers will not happen until winter reaches King's Landing. That would mean the North forces will be defeated and pushed back to the south.

Littlefinger might not be dead, but he knows he is being outclassed. Sansa does not appreciate his counsel, Arya is a one woman assassin's squad, and Bran is Charles Xavier. Not good news for the Starks. In this series, any hero with the upper hand is usually ripe for a fall.

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#4373186 - 08/07/17 07:22 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Tyrell banner commander (cant remember his name) told Jamie that the gold was already safely past the gates of King's Landing.


Randyll Tarly

Father of Sam "Cleaner of Bedpans" Tarly and Rickon [ Dickon...snicker...] Tarly.

And the only man to best Robert Baratheon in battle (as commander).

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#4373187 - 08/07/17 07:26 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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Damn....I did, too. I thought the gold was lost in the attack. Although now that I think of it, gold wouldn't burn, so.... So much for me being glad that Cersei lost her chance to pay her debt to The Iron Bank. It's annoying how things keep working out for her. Can't wait for her to get it.


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#4373188 - 08/07/17 07:26 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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That guy was Randyll Tarly, Sam's father. His sidekick is his other son, Dickon (a name that made Bronn - rightfully - snicker), is Sam's "jock" brother. Did anyone see if he or Dickon made it during that battle? If not, I assume Samwell would be the next Lord of Hornberg.

I guess something might yet happen with that gold. That bankster wink from Braavos seems highly suspicious to me.

Well, in any case, Cersei will need something really bad happening to her to even consider listening to Dany/Jon and the White Walker thing. I don't believe simply having Jamie as a hostage would be sufficient to convince her. Maybe the gold disappears and the Iron Bank does not consider the debts to have been paid, so no further credit, which in turn means Cersei's war would be effectively over.



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#4373189 - 08/07/17 07:28 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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#4373214 - 08/08/17 12:48 AM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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Originally Posted by Bib4Tuna
If Jamie is captured, I think Tyrion will do whatever he can to have him let go. He has class 12 plot armor, definitively.


I have a feeling that Jamies other hand will be heading back to Kings Landing along with news of the defeat and his capture.


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#4373223 - 08/08/17 01:52 AM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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It's been a great season with every episode moving the plot forward so much...

Just one major thong that bugs me...Dany why would you not use your dragons for some surveillance and spy on some troop movements.

She could have been flying up in the air in relative safety. Oh some ships here...hey Castle Rock looks pretty empty...Oh there is a big army marching to high garden...etc.,

Seems some basic warfare strategy. She wouldn't even be placing herself in danger. Just flying way in the air looking around.


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#4373224 - 08/08/17 02:16 AM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Spidey]  
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Originally Posted by Spidey
It's been a great season with every episode moving the plot forward so much...

Just one major thong that bugs me...Dany why would you not use your dragons for some surveillance and spy on some troop movements.

She could have been flying up in the air in relative safety. Oh some ships here...hey Castle Rock looks pretty empty...Oh there is a big army marching to high garden...etc.,

Seems some basic warfare strategy. She wouldn't even be placing herself in danger. Just flying way in the air looking around.


In Season 5, she had to lock up her dragons because even she is their mother, they still governed by their basic instinct to eat and burn. Much like the Dothraki, she can do little to control their bloodlust.

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#4373225 - 08/08/17 02:19 AM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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That was season 5..,by now she is fully mastered riding to the point where she is doing aerial maneuvers and dive bombing a caravan. I am sure she can fly around. They are also flying around dragonstone on their own without any supervision


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#4373232 - 08/08/17 02:44 AM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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Originally Posted by Dart
Also, why not immediately run to the scorpion as soon as the dragon was spotted? And why would that even need to be ordered?


I'd say they were in a state of complete shock at actually seeing a dragon. And seeing a khalasar come riding through the flames to kill everyone who isn't being turned to ash probably had something to do with it, too. biggrin


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#4373255 - 08/08/17 08:26 AM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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Watching the trailer for the next episode, I wonder whether Tyrion (as Jon is not there) makes the suggestion for a third "traditional" alternative - go to the Wall and don the black. Though the dialog between him and Varys might indicate that even if so, Dany might not accept it, at least not "universally".
I also guess that Jon takes a dragon taxi to the north, while I would imagine that Ser Davos "harvests" the dragonglass and follows on ship (maybe with the men for the Nightswatch...).

#4373293 - 08/08/17 03:11 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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Great episode, but it seemed like Dany teleported her army to get there to engage Jaime. One minute they were totally surprised about how easily they took C Rock, due to no intel about it...next thing they knew exactly where Jaime's army was and rushed there to fight. Clearly some time had passed, so I guess Jon has his glass, but they could have covered that better than telling Theon "the queen isn't here."
Still, a fun episode and the most fun season to date with all of the reunions.


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#4373295 - 08/08/17 03:16 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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Maybe Dany got wise and actually did some discreet areal reconnaissance after all?

Or...plot magic (tm). The one Euron seemed to use to find both fleets during the previous two episodes. smile


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#4373296 - 08/08/17 03:18 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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Even the best written shows have to use "plot magic" from time to time in order to make things happen and to move the story forward. Some shows just use it a lot more than others!

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#4373298 - 08/08/17 03:29 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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The most likely explanation within the confines of the show's established "rules" would be that Grey Worm immediately sent a raven to Dragonstone with the information about what happened. Olenna probably also sent a raven from Highgarden. Also Varys probably still maintains his (highly inconceivable) spy network. Raven's are as close to real time intelligence as we get in the world of "Ice and Fire". So they knew when the Lannister army sacked Highgarden, and figured out the general marching route back to King's Landing. And maybe Varys has some spies in every village who supplied him with additional information. Once the Dothraki landed on the mainland, they would have sent out scouts to find the Lannister army.


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#4373303 - 08/08/17 04:13 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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I would not even try to reconcile the time of events for this show. The teleport plot device in this show is so overused that is a meme now.

If we wanted to say "oh, but you do not know how much time has really passed between events"....then someone please go tell Sam and Gilly's baby to start growing the fook up and to the Night King to go buy a GPS ASAP and to stop trying to break Moses record for most time lost traveling a relatively short distance.

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#4373309 - 08/08/17 04:30 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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I read somewhere that because of the magic spell over the wall that the white walker army has to march towards the sea and go around it? Is that accurate as per the books?

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#4373313 - 08/08/17 04:40 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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Except last time we saw the Walkers they were at Hardhome. That is a straight down trip to Eastwatch, where they are more likely to cross into Westeros. If they went to The Gorge, that would be the stupidest trip ever.

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#4373315 - 08/08/17 04:56 PM Re: Game of Thrones : Season 7 [Spoilers] [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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i'm just going to link this here; https://i.redd.it/5xlrevcs3jez.jpg

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Originally Posted by Bib4Tuna
i'm just going to link this here; https://i.redd.it/5xlrevcs3jez.jpg

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LOL!! That's great. Oh and that map is very helpful for someone like me who has not read any of the books.


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