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AMD Radeon RX Vega Challenge At PDXLAN – Gaming Vega Is Almost Here
PDXLAN and the RX Vega Challenge – An Experiance, not a reveal.
...what is PDXLAN? It can only be described as LAN party heaven. There is a hectic schedule of events, contests, and announcements that will keep you running around and busy winning prizes..
..AMD did reveal the results of the polling and that returned some interesting results. It was a near perfect split in thirds. One third of people said they absolutely could not tell the difference, one third of people preferred the right side, and last but not least one third of people preferred the left side. Now these are just the raw numbers. During AMD’s presentation of this data, they brought up the pricing difference between comparable freesync and gsync monitors, both curved wide screen. The Freesync monitor was $499 and the G-Sync version was $949...
At PDXLAN, gamers played both an RX Vega machine and a GTX1080 machine -- but did not know which was which (like the Budapest post above).
Statistically, they could not tell the difference between RX Vega and GTX1080.
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AMD Radeon RX Vega 3DMark Fire Strike performance
First 3DMark scores of Radeon RX Vega are here. It may be too early to post them, but to be honest I don’t think final performance will be much different...
GTX 1080 was 22585 and RX Vega was 22330 -- 1 percent difference (invisible to the unaided eye). The release version of RX Vega may perform a bit better due to driver optimizations.
If these results hold up across the board, GTX1080 and RX Vega will compete on system cost. For example, as noted in the quote, an AMD supporting Freesync monitor is usually cheaper than an Nvidia supporting G-Sync with the same features.
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ASRock [, Gigabyte,] and MSI X399 Motherboards For AMD Ryzen Threadripper CPUs Detailed – Pre-Orders Start in Less Than 24 Hours
..The Gigabyte X399 AORUS Gaming 7 is the flagship motherboard of the lineup. In terms of design, the X399 AORUS Gaming 7 has a standard ATX design with the largest consumer socket we have seen to date, the TR4. The TR4 is a lot similar to the SP3 socket which is designed for the EPYC server platform and feature 4094 pins in total. The socket is surrounded by eight DDR4 DIMM slots that can support up to 128 GB of ram..
No prices -- but I assume expensively expensive. Picture of Gigabyte motherboard attached. Note the large CPU socket.
Threadripper will be expensive and not faster than Ryzen 1800X in games -- today.
Thing is Threadripper may be a better long term purchase. CPUs will not get much faster per core. Rather, games will start to use all those cores. So, 5 years from now one may need a Threadripper (or Intel equivalent) for maximum gaming. But, I'm not recommending Threadripper for games -- today.
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Advanced Micro Devices (NASDAQ: AMD) Q2 2017 Earnings Dissected: AMD Is Back
AMD (NASDAQ: AMD 14.11 -0.35%) recently announced the second quarter results for the fiscal year of 2017 and successfully beat analyst expectations of EPS and revenue. The consensus was a break even and $1.16 Billion in revenue (on a non-GAAP basis) and the silicon giant was able to beat with an EPS of 2 cents and a revenue of $1.22 Billion. .
..Threadripper is one of the most disruptive products .. massive processors .. giveaway pricing. We already know that ThreadRipper took Intel by surprise and they were not ready for it at all .. .
..EPYC processors are also going to be taking the server market by storm...
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AMD selling MXM GPUs to miners
..RX 480, 470, 580 and 570 are currently the best for mining, closely followed by Nvidia’s Geforce 1060 3GB..
..Our industry sources confirmed that AMD is selling MXM cards directly to miners. Usually the MXM Mobile PCI Express Module is reserved for laptops, but apparently it can to go miners too..
..Miners can plug a bunch of these MXM GPUs in a board and have an efficient mining platform...
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On the competition front -- rumor, leak, speculation:
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Intel Coffee Lake leak reveals alleged specifications of 8th-gen chips
Firm will offer a trio of six-core, 12-thread devices
[3.1GHz, 3.2GHz, and 3.7Ghz base clocks]
..Intel's 8th-gen Coffee Lake chips were supposed to be appearing in 2018 on the 10nm fab node. Instead, though, Intel has put back that challenging manufacturing shift and is producing Coffee Lake on its current 14nm facilities, pushing up the wattage to provide a performance boost...
Meantime, AMD continues is plan to skip the 10nm node and go straight to 7nm. A plan with some risk attached -- but, its where everyone has to go "eventually":
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[AMD's] Papermaster says 7nm is a tough lift
..To gear up for 7nm, “we had to literally double our efforts across foundry and design teams...It’s the toughest lift I’ve seen in a number of generations,” perhaps back to the introduction of copper interconnects, he told EE Times..
..Both AMD’s Zen 2 and Zen 3 x86 processors will be made in 7nm..
“They [Globalfoundries and TSMC] have both been aggressive in 7nm and that’s good for the industry. The gap has closed versus where Intel is at and that’s an incredible juncture in the industry that people have predicted and now were seeing it”, Papermaster added.
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The title says all that this article says:
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AMD Vega 10, Vega 11, Vega 12 and Vega 20 confirmed by EEC
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..Overall, the Radeon RX Vega family sounds nice but AMD has taken too long to produce a viable (yet to be seen) competitor to NVIDIA’s Pascal lineup. In a few days, we will know for sure if what AMD did with Vega can deliver some great benefits to consumers and gamers or not...
RX Vega is many months late -- maybe 9+ months. This has been speculated as due to the unavailability of HBM2 memory on the original schedule (was to arrive last year). AMD opted to NOT use DDR5 (like Nvidia used) in Vega gamer cards. Nvidia won that bet as its 1080s have been around quite a while.
Agreed. I was a guaranteed customer in the Spring but eventually decided not to wait for partner boards to reach store shelves (September? October? November?) and ended up getting a 1080 Ti. Probably payed more in the end, but it's a great card that I could actually buy and install.
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Cryptocurrency miners are renting Boeing 747s to ship graphics cards
Some 36,000 units of Ethereum is collectively mined each day. At around $200 per unit, miners are competing for $7.2 million worth of Ethereum per day. ..
"Time counts so much. We are using the fastest delivery possible," Streng added. "You risk the opportunity to mine for the days you are delayed. If you are deploying 10 days later, you are losing 10 days of mining—that is the cost."..
As previously noted: AMD cards seem to be preferred for Ethereum mining -- which may (or may not) increase RX Vega prices.
Looks like someone has a great scam going to fleece fools.
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Here’s the breakdown in terms of pricing. Note that these figures have been spotted in the code of Newegg’s Vega product pages. They’re as legit as leaks can get.
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AMD Radeon RX Vega 64, RX Vega 56, RX Vega Nano Official Slides, Full Specifications Detailed – Flagship Model Compared To The NVIDIA GTX 1080, Has 300W TDP
..AMD has also announced the new Radeon Pack promotion with their Radeon RX Vega graphics cards. These include the following:
Radeon AquaPack with RX Vega 64 Liquid Cooled for $699 Radeon Black Pack with RX Vega 64 Air Cooled for $599 Radeon Red Pack with RX Vega 56 for $499
The AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 Liquid, Air and reference models will be shipping with these packs. The starting price of the Radeon Red pack is $499 US for the reference model which grants you two free games (Wolfenstein II and Prey 2). The higher priced Radeon Black Pack for $599 US grants you the game and a $100 US discount on a Ryzen 7 CPU while the top end Radeon Aqua pack will get you all of the above plus $200 off of an Samsung ultra-wide Freesync monitor for just $699 US...
The reveal did not add much to what had been rumored and leaked.
August release (ASUS has a custom card coming out August 14 -- so, not just Reference cards). Package-pricing or card-only-pricing (packages are surmised for the purpose of keeping "miners" from buying all the cards). Looks like the basic air cooled RX Vega list price is $500. Performance similar to GTX1080 was hinted -- with better minimum framerates hinted.
We won't know for sure what we've got until the cards are released and we see the independent test reports -- nominally during August.
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So much deja vu with the Fury release. And how is that working support wise for those that invested in that line of cards.
And they could have done away with the Pack thing. Not really much value if you just want the card, plus the contrast when the offer ends and you still pay the same price will look less attractive. They could easily limit miner effects by enforcing a limit of one or two per customer (which some retailers like Micro Center already do).
And holy crap, are people going to be pissed to have to upgrade their PSU -
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AMD is down playing Crossfire configurations with Vega
Single card setups are good enough.
One of the interesting shifts taking place in graphics is the move away from multiple card setups in favor of more powerful single card solutions. This has been going on for some time now..
..That does not mean RX Vega won't support Crossfire—to be clear, it does .. [but] .. not all games scale well with multiple GPUs.
.. with Nvidia, it should be noted that there is no official support of anything greater than 2-way SLI in games on GeForce 10 series graphics cards...
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AMD Manages To Pack A PetaFLOPs Capable Super Computer In A Rack With Project 47
AMD recently unveiled something truly remarkable today – a server rack that has a total processing power of 1 PetaFLOPs. .. Here’s the kicker though: a decade ago in 2007, a computer of the same power would have required roughly 6000 square feet of area and thousands of processors to power. A decade ago, this would have been one of the most powerful supercomputers on Earth, and today, its a server rack..
Back in 2007, you would have found the same power in a supercomputer called the IBM Roadrunner. .. most powerful .. of its time and built by AMD and IBM for the Los Alamos National Laboratory. The cluster had 696 racks spanning an area of 6000 square feet and consumer 2,350,000 watts of electricity. The cluster consisted primarily of around 64,000 dual core Opteron CPUs and some accelerators.
So basically in a little over 10 years, AMD has managed to make a system that consumes 98% less power and takes up 99.93% less space.
..it is clear that the star of the Project 47 is the Radeon Instinct GPU...
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AMD is down playing Crossfire configurations with Vega
Single card setups are good enough.
One of the interesting shifts taking place in graphics is the move away from multiple card setups in favor of more powerful single card solutions. This has been going on for some time now..
..That does not mean RX Vega won't support Crossfire—to be clear, it does .. [but] .. not all games scale well with multiple GPUs.
.. with Nvidia, it should be noted that there is no official support of anything greater than 2-way SLI in games on GeForce 10 series graphics cards...
When the suggested TDP for the top of the line RX Vega is > 300W, how can they justify having 2 in the system on a reasonable setup? But I agree it has never been properly implemented and probably should go away.
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Mobile Ryzen shipping for holiday season
..It will be interesting to see how AMD does in the thinner and light market segment with its Ryzen mobile [for laptops]. .. without a doubt this is a comeback year for AMD...
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On the competition front -- Intel changes motherboard socket designs for new CPUs frequently (relative to AMD who supports the same socket for more years).
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ASRock: [Intel] Coffee Lake CPUs not compatible with 200 series motherboards
..This was somewhat an expected move from Intel, because by introducing new processors the company may want motherboard manufacturers to come up with something new, something Ryzen motherboards are lacking.
The backward compatibility of desktop processors was one of the bullet points for Ryzen architecture, as AMD committed to supporting AM4 socket for years to come..
Before getting my Ryzen, I was using the same ASUS AMD motherboard (an original V1.0 release) for multiple CPUs over about 4 years. It supported virtually all the AMD CPUs -- but not APUs.
The new Ryzen motherboards will support all CPUs and APUs for years to come (they say) -- except Threadripper which requires its own motherboard to support all those cores and professional features. Potentially gives builders/upgraders more options and lower costs over the years.
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