i also agrree with EAF. A LOT of stuff happened in this episode and it was not "slow" in any way.


I agree with the off screen death of Lady Tyrell because it fits her character and even with GOT, I don't think we want to see a cultured, intelligent old lady get impaled with a sword on screen.

Lots of things happened...sure. I never said slow. I just said did not advance, as in characters barely changed their current power position.


- Tyrell's were not much of a force to begin with (especially since their bannermen swore to The Queen). Sure, Daenerys needs as many allies as she can, but still, not much of a difference was made. Same as Jamie said that Casterly Rock was not really that important now, neither was Highgarden (well they did plunder the money to pay Braavos).
- Dorne was probably the greatest loss regarding the loss of their army, but what has changed between Kings Landing and Dorne since the fight between Oberyn and The Mountain. Very little.
- If Daenerys now decides to attack with Dothraki and Dragons, it is not an advance, but a regression to what she should have done from the start. When you have all the cards, you play poker...not chess.
- Hopefully Jorah plays a part in convincing Danny of helping Jon. But that did not happen in this episode right?!
- Bran is a wild card, but you cannot force anyone to become King or Lord of Winterfell. He already said no.

You guys read too much into events that really were exposition, but fine.

Not only Olenna was killed off camera, but practically Tyene too. And as far as I know part of what has made this show what it is not caring who they off without regard of title or relative moral position. If they start caring of that now, they will become as bland as any network show.

That said, Olenna's scene with Jamie was great.

And you also forget that everyone in this show that has refused to bend the knee to any King has lived enough to regret it. Yes, Jon would be pressured to help conquering Kings Landing, but at least he would have had a more open ear from Daenerys to help the North if he had done so. As she reminded him, when the last King of the North swore to the Targaryens, things actually improved for Westeros (Mad King not withstanding).

Next week's trailer is very spoilery. It seems a major character may be dying.

HA!...who am I kidding, that is GoT on a Tuesday....well...Sunday.

I liked this episode a lot better than the last one. Even though "we" still keep moving sideways a little too much, at least with some of the subplots.
The poisoning of the last Sand Viper was way too predictable. I wish Cersei would have surprised the audience with something more clever.
And Dany's in looooooove. Poor Dario. Targaryens hat no qualms marrying off brother and sister, so aunt and nephew shouldn't even raise an eyebrow.

- I think Daenerys, and the Dothraki will ambush the Lannister army on its triumphant march back to King's Landing, while Jon remains on Dragonstone, mining Dragonglass. That way she could defeat the Lannisters without killing innocent civilians.
- At some point we might see Jon befriending one of the Dragons, to Dany's astonishment.
- Bran will certainly not be made ruler of the North or Lord of Winterfell. But he will tell Jon his true heritage when same returns to the North to find some proof for Dany about the White Walkers.
- The trailer made it look like Brienne was executing Littlefinger on Sansa's orders, but who knows. Personally, I would like to have Arya take Sansa's form and kill Littlefinger in the bedchamber, just when he thinks "Sansa" will give herself to him. That would be a cool scene, but probably too Ninja for GoT. Also, we've already seen Arya pull that trick on House Frey, and you'd probably wouldn't want to overuse that move.
- Now that Cersei knows Tyrion is innocent in Joffrey's death, it will open up the way for some form of "Potsdam Conference", because at some point all the houses must come together to defeat the WW. I believe Cersei could look past Tyrion killing their father somewhat, making talks possible.

Deep in speculation territory:
What if the representative from the Iron Bank is not exactly who he claims to be? Since he came from Braavos, what if that is Arya's master? He could steal the Lannister gold, which would mean no debts were paid, and therefore no credit for Cersei. Arya's last scenes with Jaqen gave me the impression that the whole "no one" crap was all made-up horseshyte.

Damn, I really hope Littlefinger makes it until the series finale and THEN he can die. He's one of my favorite characters.

BTW, I really had to laugh out loud right at the beginning, when Missandei rattled down Daenerys' numerous titles, and Ser Davos simply said: "This is Jon Snow". Pause. "He's King in the North".

I don;t think Littlefinger survives. The trailer kind of give it away in three scenes. Brienne's execution is one. Someone with the same sleeves as Baelish robes is unsheathing the same knife they used to frame Tyrion for Bran's assassination attempt. And the other was the somber Sansa scene. it doesn't help that it seems Arya will be in Winterfell.


Motivation - Bran "I can see all" Stark can disclose the role of Littlefinger in Ned's execution and his plot with the Boltons for Sansa. If anyone needs proof, the Maister just said there is a record of all the Ravens received in Winterfell. Will he try to kill Bran? Get rid of the legitimate heir to The North?


Cersei does not know yet of Tyrion's innocence. Jaimie does, and he was always all to spare Tyrion's life. But Cersei does not care for that. The prophecy from the witch said she would be killed by her brother, and she is convinced that brother is Tyrion.


Why would Jaqen kill Cersei, unless someone else made the request? Nah...I think it is sweeter if the guy is from the bank, and then Cersei is not able to pay. Then we can see the actual power of the Iron bank, and the reputation that Lannister's pay their debts is damaged. No money, no war.

Cersei hates Tyrion for killing their mother. That is why she was so quick and firm in her beliefs that he killed Joffrey.

On the deaths - we've already seen what the long goodnight does, and it's a delayed poison; um, I did not see that coming until the last moment, btw - guess I'm slow on the uptake. And Jamie wasn't going to stick around to see Olena die; he's just not that kind of guy.

Wasn't it nice to see the return of Hodor?

as in...

Tyrion had a door in Casterly Rock for his whores.... a "Hoe" door....


And wasn't there an error in the dialog between Daenerys and Jon? She said he lost 2 brothers...(Rickon and Rob)...but wasn't Bran presumed dead, burned by Theon?

Good call! That sound very plausible. Bran could also reveal that Baelish actually started the whole mess by arranging the death of Jon Arryn (King Robert's first Hand), which made Robert appoint Ned and made him "go south".

(BTW, it's "Maester" )



Jamie will tell Cersei, which will make it possible to have that little peace conference thingy that I guess needs to happen at some point. Cersei would never, ever agree to anything if she'd still was convinced Tyrion murdered her firstborn son.




Please go back to my post and note that I never wrote that Jaqen would kill Cersei. That would be Jamie's job. I speculated about Jaqen stealing the debt payment (in the trailer we see Jamie looking into a cart full of gold, probably taken from Highgarden as spoils of war). Which would mean no funds for Cersei's war, and her being forced to come to some sort of agreement (at least to buy some time - I guess she'll agree to help against the WW threat, just to have her opponents get decimated in the North and betray them later. And I guess that will be Jamie's motive to kill her; but if that happened, it will be much later, in the final season).

Theon would have had ample time to tell Dany (or Tyrion, or Varys) that he did not kill those two Stark boys. Melissandre could also have told her that. Dany could even have deduced it herself, knowing that Rickon had shown up alive in Winterfell....before the idiot ran into an arrow.

So, as far as she is concerned, Bran is still MIA. Or Melissandre saw something in her flames (off screen)?

Yes, I forgot Theon had met Daenerys before. But it would had been nice for Jon to correct her and then she gives him the big news Bran is not dead.

BTW, did Melissandre drop a massive spoiler there with Varys?

At this point, I wouldn't trust her if she says the fire is hot to touch due to her bumbling with Stannis. The red priest is more trustworthy even if he's rambling drunk.

Great speculations. Mine concerns the off screen deaths. If there is one thing I've learned about this show, it's that when someone dies off screen....they often aren't dead.

I'm still a little confused as of the state of the Dornish Army. At first I thought Yara's fleet was inbound to King's Landing with the troops already on board. But then, when rewatching episode 2, I noticed that Ellaria said to Yara just prior to the battle: “When we reach Sunspear, I will treat you to a Dornish red, the best in the world.” This suggests they were on their way to Dorne, from Dragonstone. Which also means their army never got onto those ships, which means they are still in full strength and most likely not too happy about what Cersei did to Ellaria and the Sand Vipers.

I'll have to check again how the news about the fleet were reported to Dany.

I figured that if the people of Westeros don't start digging up and burning their dead soon, those might very well become additional Zombies for the Night King's (presumably still lost) army of the undead. So we may very well see all those dead characters again (I hope not!).

Fire and Ice together...

I take is Jon is going to be boning his aunt true Targaryen style at some point.

Relevant now (and one of the best scenes of season 1)

I love to read all the speculating you guys do, just to see it all turn out different in the series