#4368887 - 07/12/17 08:25 PM
Re: Did Harrison Ford Start a "trend"?
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Taxiway C has painted borders (green) but this wouldn't seen at night.
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4368938 - 07/13/17 03:09 AM
Re: Did Harrison Ford Start a "trend"?
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I don't know if it's a company policy problem or what, but people need to start using their nav gear before landing VFR especially at unfamiliar airports. On most aircraft punching 6 buttons is enough to input and display ILS or VOR info. Takes literally 10 seconds for PNF to do it. How many of these incidents could be avoided by checking if they're on the radio / gps centerline or not? One of these days somebody is going to screw up royally and land VFR on the wrong runway, and it'll be too short to stop their aircraft. SFO seems to have a lot of problems with this. IIRC the Asiana 777 crash had unfamiliarity with VFR procedures as one factor in the crash. Is SFO's navigation equipment down a lot or?? (Not saying it's SFO's fault, though I have heard a lot of terrible ATC at SFO and LAX) The pilots have the responsibility of landing the airplane safely and in the correct location, but it's a combined effort that helps prevent even stupid or incompetent pilots from making serious mistakes that could hurt people or result in an incident. How people could screw up the runways at SFO is a little confusing though, considering it's a tic tac toe board layout and the runway positions are VERY obvious. Apparently the incident happened at 11:55pm - do these idiots not remember the basics of runway lighting? No taxiway is lit up like an SFO runway. The guy must have been trying to line up on the taxiway in the top left corner of this picture. Stupid. Apparently 28L was darkened and he was probably used to both runways being lit up so assumed the taxiway lights were 28R and the runway lights were 28L. But the lights are not even close to the right color nor layout to be a runway. Really stupid, unprofessional. Back to private pilot's school for this pilot.
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#4368966 - 07/13/17 01:08 PM
Re: Did Harrison Ford Start a "trend"?
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On most aircraft punching 6 buttons is enough to input and display ILS or VOR info. Takes literally 10 seconds for PNF to do it. How many of these incidents could be avoided by checking if they're on the radio / gps centerline or not?
this is what I didn't get, I always assumed airliners had to fly in like this, especially at night so I was shocked how this happened.
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#4368986 - 07/13/17 03:28 PM
Re: Did Harrison Ford Start a "trend"?
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Not sure if others can see this without logging into pprune, this is the track of the flight: i made a business out of training japanese and korean pilots how to avoid this kind of problem by having PNF verify ILS or RNAV alignment before landing even VFR, and to GA if the alignment is off, despite company policy on the issue. better safe than dead. i am certain if the pilots on this flight had been from an asian airline we'd be looking at several wrecked aircraft and hundreds of dead people right now. thankfully some hero on the frequency was watching out for traffic and warned everyone that AC was coming down on the taxiway. if he had not done that everyone would have been dead. this was way too close for comfort. they cleared the tail of the first aircraft on the taxiway by barely 200 feet.
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#4369025 - 07/13/17 05:47 PM
Re: Did Harrison Ford Start a "trend"?
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Seriously -- it was a tongue in cheek title. Sorry that was lost on you. @Wheels - yep, I know it's a (relatively) common mistake which often doesn't receive much notoriety until an airliner or celebrity brings it to public attention. I'm in agreement with Longbow's assessment. Certainly, in Harrison's case it's fairly unlikely that he would have that equipment in the Husky, and he also didn't have another "crew" member to cross check his procedure, but there's absolutely no (valid) excuse for an airliner to make that sort of mistake apart from failure to follow proper CRM procedures, pilot inattentiveness, or outright incompetence. They were very, very lucky to avoid an epic disaster. Regards, 4 <S!>
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#4369030 - 07/13/17 06:07 PM
Re: Did Harrison Ford Start a "trend"?
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Goddamn, I could land sideways on those runways!
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#4369068 - 07/13/17 08:23 PM
Re: Did Harrison Ford Start a "trend"?
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Seriously -- it was a tongue in cheek title. Sorry that was lost on you. 4 <S!> Wasn't lost on me in the slightest, so good news- you don't have to apologize. What was lost on you was that was a way for me to say "what a stupid thing to even type" without insulting you. Sorry you didn't detect the subtlety.
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#4369319 - 07/15/17 09:59 AM
Re: Did Harrison Ford Start a "trend"?
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Even if 28L was closed at the time, which it seems to have been, the lack of several hundred yards of approach lights, green threshold lights, centreline lights, touchdown zone and edge lights on the taxiway should be a major clue you're lined up wrong.
That said, fatigue can do strange things. These guys landed at 3am in their local time zone, and who knows what sort of rosters AC have nowadays.
In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
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