#4361505 - 06/02/17 12:08 AM
Germany Thinking of Buying F-35?
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GERMAN AIR FORCE COULD BUY THE F-35 STEALTH FIGHTER JET TO REPLACE THE EUROFIGHTERAccording to Reuters the Luftwaffe (German Air Force) sent a letter to the U.S. military where the service asks a classified briefing on the capabilities of the Lockheed-Martin F-35 stealth fighter.
The Luftwaffe in fact has begun to look for a replacement fighter for its current fleet of fourth-generation warplanes (Tornadoes in use since 1981 and Eurofighters) that will be procured from 2025 to 2035. The F-35 is considered a fifth-generation fighter that thanks to its stealth capabilities is able to evade enemy radars.
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#4361515 - 06/02/17 02:51 AM
Re: Germany Thinking of Buying F-35?
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'Eff 'em. They don't like us, we shouldn't like them. They don't deserve our plane. That's a bridge too far for me. While it's pretty well known that I am skeptical of individual European governments (including Germany's) and absolutely despise the European Union, they are a NATO member. We can't on one hand tell them to pick up the defense slack we've been carrying for them and on the other deny them the tools to do so. Besides, I seriously doubt they can come up with the political will to lay down the Euro's to buy them, let alone spend the money to keep them flying.
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#4361519 - 06/02/17 03:53 AM
Re: Germany Thinking of Buying F-35?
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Yes it would be quite disingenuous to ask Germany to increase defense spending and then refuse to sell them the F-35.
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#4361527 - 06/02/17 06:05 AM
Re: Germany Thinking of Buying F-35?
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So far it's but a request for a classified briefing. Given the political developments of the last few weeks and the general habit of the german political body to consider military procurement as industry subsidy for german defense contractors I vividly doubt that the F-35 really has a chance.
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#4361532 - 06/02/17 06:46 AM
Re: Germany Thinking of Buying F-35?
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The Eurofighter is a wonder of tactical manoeuverability, while the F35 has a more strategical role, and is much better suited for real modern (network electronics) warfare. As far as i read the F 35 would cut off the enemy before he even reaches the vicinity, don't know how well that would work though in real life. Question is always quality, or mass. I (Germany here) would be all for buying the F 35, but.. got to love those politicians.
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#4361549 - 06/02/17 11:02 AM
Re: Germany Thinking of Buying F-35?
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and the general habit of the german political body to consider military procurement as industry subsidy for german defense contractors . That's definitely not unique to Germany. Most Left wing politicians in the US also think that way.
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#4361554 - 06/02/17 11:14 AM
Re: Germany Thinking of Buying F-35?
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and the general habit of the german political body to consider military procurement as industry subsidy for german defense contractors . That's definitely not unique to Germany. Most Left wing politicians in the US also think that way. Ah, but do US politicians enforce certain procurement decisions even if it merely adds one more troublesome issue to the plate of the armed forces? The entire history of the NH-90 and the A400M, the Tiger and especially the recent "attempt" to procure 5 more K130 corvettes provide ample evidence that military capabilities matter nothing compared to pampering certain defense contractors (because they create jobs and taxes in certain electoral districts). Simply put if being forced to choose between procuring the F-35 in the mid-2020s or having Airbus design yet another "gold edge solution" which costs more and brings only trouble the political body will always opt for the latter choice. PS: I am pretty relieved that the CH-53G successor will be bought as MOTS - either CH-53K (a bit expensive) or the CH-47 (the logical choice).
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#4361568 - 06/02/17 11:58 AM
Re: Germany Thinking of Buying F-35?
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and the general habit of the german political body to consider military procurement as industry subsidy for german defense contractors . That's definitely not unique to Germany. Most Left wing politicians in the US also think that way. Ah, but do US politicians enforce certain procurement decisions even if it merely adds one more troublesome issue to the plate of the armed forces? Three words: Littoral Combat Ship. Also know as the LCS, or as critics like I call it "Little Crappy Ship".
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#4361586 - 06/02/17 01:36 PM
Re: Germany Thinking of Buying F-35?
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#4361594 - 06/02/17 02:14 PM
Re: Germany Thinking of Buying F-35?
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I see your LCS and raise one F125, also known as Wannabe-Colonial Gunboat-Cruiser with weight issues.
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#4361605 - 06/02/17 02:45 PM
Re: Germany Thinking of Buying F-35?
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I see your LCS and raise one F125, also known as Wannabe-Colonial Gunboat-Cruiser with weight issues. Well at least if/when the F125 has it's problems ironed out it will be a well armed warship. If LCS were to function exactly as intended it would still be under armed, over priced and too short legged (ie range).
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#4361629 - 06/02/17 04:12 PM
Re: Germany Thinking of Buying F-35?
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I see your LCS and raise one F125, also known as Wannabe-Colonial Gunboat-Cruiser with weight issues. Well at least if/when the F125 has it's problems ironed out it will be a well armed warship. If LCS were to function exactly as intended it would still be under armed, over priced and too short legged (ie range). Actually ... well, not really. No VLS (meaning minimal Air Defense capabilities), it's not yet clear if it'll get some kind of Anti-Ship-Missile system after the Harpoons get past their "Scrap by" date, factually zero Anti-Submarine capabilities ... For a 7,000 ton warship it's simply an oversized, overprized and overweight cruiser-sized Wannabe-Gunboat for colonial adventures (which our constituency likes sooo much /s).
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