#4273728 - 06/27/16 10:52 AM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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Excellent post with good perspective!
Unless you are one of its shareholders, no corporation owes you anything more than what you've contracted with them -- that's the law. While they may decide to "go above and beyond" your contract expectations, they predominantly do that to ensure continued sales. To say "I'm going to work voluntarily for them so that they do what I want" is a delusion. If they fail to meet our expectations we can decide to move on and take it as a lesson learned.
Complaining to the "choir" may feed our ego, but results in little else.. How about those who argue about buying a product that seems to be perpetually in beta? Those that have had bugs for ages that have not been fixed? Doesn't the "company" owe them a product that is at least supported with bug-fixes? While you can be technically correct about your point, you will find that it is those companies that "go above and beyond" that attracts repeat customers and gets MORE customers by word-of-mouth. Is "continued sales" a bad thing? Is the market big enough for them to NOT go above and beyond? While a few of those that complain are modders, most are not. Personally, I have moved on and I have learned a lesson. Still, that doesn't mean I don't get sad/angry/upset seeing how it has "evolved" now. I can only hope they get their act together and my face is sore from all the facepalms I've been doing That's not an excuse for lack of personal discipline. In what way was that "a lack of personal discipline"?? How dare someone enjoy the game! I know, right?!!? Gasp! Horror!
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#4273911 - 06/27/16 06:36 PM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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There are two types of people in this hobby--those whose enjoyment of a product is irrespective of who it comes from, and those whose enjoyment is almost completely subservient to their feelings about the creator.
Some of us will call a piece of junk by our a favorite developer a piece of junk and move on, awaiting their next (hopefully better) one. Some of us can buy and enjoy one made by a developer whose business practices disgust us.
Others will like whatever comes from our favorite developer, no matter its quality, because we like them. Or hate whatever comes from the Bad Dev, no matter its quality, because we hate them.
I'm firmly in the first camp, but I understand there are people in the second one. I don't care about Madonna's personal life, I will like or a not a song she does on its own merits. I don't care about an actor's political views, I will like or not their performance in a film, or pay to see it or not, based on its quality, not whether or not they vote like I do. My in-laws are like that. Won't see a film with "X" in it because they were mouthing off about supporting something or other they don't agree with.
Oh, while I understand there are people like that, I don't agree with them. I don't care if they like what I like or not, I disagree with their reasons for liking or not. That's how I can agree with someone I disagree with, and disagree with someone I agree with, all the time. I respect contradictory opinions based on good reasoning. I reject opinions based on shaky, erroneous, or nonexistent reasoning, regardless of how I feel. Tell me you love Star Wars too because you like Vulcans...I'm going to shake my head and say "no."
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#4357260 - 05/14/17 05:41 AM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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#4357263 - 05/14/17 06:37 AM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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Is it worth buying even after 12 more months of further development?? And here we see the community manager, endorsed by ED themselves trying in vain to promote VEAO's waste of bandwidth from being moved to the mods section Now I admit that 12 months ago, many of the fine gents in these very forums did not agree with me when I began the scathing review of this investment, so I gave Chris the benefit of doubt that a further 12 months of development would deliver what was promised, a DCS level fidelity aircraft. That hasn't happened.....
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#4357266 - 05/14/17 07:50 AM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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I hope Chris comes back to the thread......he might have a reply regarding why he's not answering my requests for a refund of this module........this was after he offered the refunds to unhappy customers. Can't even 'gift' the key away anymore, obviously the ED servers were crashing right at Nevada release from VEAO's consumers 'gifting' away their hawk keys. No wonder it took 3 days to download Nevada to the point where the 'gift' option was taken away from consumers
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#4357271 - 05/14/17 09:15 AM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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I LOL at how smoke is not a priority on an aircraft that's very well used in airshows.... someone needs to review how issues are prioritized. Winfield, seriously bro... have you not learned anything yet? 12 real-time months for us is NOTHING to these guys. This is where all the misunderstanding stems from. When ED says they're going to release something in 2016, that means anytime in 2016 or anytime AFTER 2016. When they say something is going to be fixed soon, it means anytime soon or on the near future, definitely before your grandkids have grandkids. When you are operating on a timescale that spans decades and generations, 12 months is just a drop in the bucket! After all, you guys have paid your money already, so what's the rush?
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#4357273 - 05/14/17 09:44 AM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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I LOL at how smoke is not a priority on an aircraft that's very well used in airshows.... someone needs to review how issues are prioritized. Winfield, seriously bro... have you not learned anything yet? 12 real-time months for us is NOTHING to these guys. This is where all the misunderstanding stems from. When ED says they're going to release something in 2016, that means anytime in 2016 or anytime AFTER 2016. When they say something is going to be fixed soon, it means anytime soon or on the near future, definitely before your grandkids have grandkids. When you are operating on a timescale that spans decades and generations, 12 months is just a drop in the bucket! After all, you guys have paid your money already, so what's the rush? Ice, since I like you and every post you write in these forums.....I won't even respond with a long drawn out lengthy response. Except if SimHQ had 'green rep squares' (give reputation) you have enough respect (reputation) from me to be 'community manager' within SimHQ
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#4357274 - 05/14/17 10:13 AM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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You do know that was sarcastic, right? Might as well beat the pro-ED bunch to the rhetoric. Also, I can't be community manager... have you seen the flak they're giving Force10 for his "bias"? Hahahaha!!
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#4357278 - 05/14/17 11:40 AM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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You do know that was sarcastic, right? Might as well beat the pro-ED bunch to the rhetoric. Also, I can't be community manager... have you seen the flak they're giving Force10 for his "bias"? Hahahaha!! See why I back you 110% with every post you write in these forums you and Paradaz alike, both need to be put forward as moderators and community managers at ED's forums.....absolutely no sugar coated outside influence in what you both post, which I draw my influence from If ED took a leaf from SimHQ's books, the ED HR department would be in a much better state than it is now The last time I put someone's name forth to Wags himself it earnt me a lifetime ban.....,Wags himself needs to sign up to these forums and see how life is outside North Korea
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#4357289 - 05/14/17 02:03 PM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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The last time I put someone's name forth to Wags himself it earnt me a lifetime ban.....,Wags himself needs to sign up to these forums and see how life is outside North Korea Wags has had an account on these forums for a very long time. http://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/users/144/wags
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#4357302 - 05/14/17 03:37 PM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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His last post was back in 2012 but it seems like he's visited recently.... See why I back you 110% with every post you write in these forums you and Paradaz alike, both need to be put forward as moderators and community managers at ED's forums.....absolutely no sugar coated outside influence in what you both post, which I draw my influence from Awww... shucks!
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#4357360 - 05/14/17 09:04 PM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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Yes Watson, it is the height of detective work to read to read the bottom of a web-page LOL.
Nate Ah Nate, Perhaps with all your wisdom, you can find the 'cause' to the ejection issue that crashes entire hosted servers in the Hawk, now that would be some real DCS 'detective' work.
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#4357362 - 05/14/17 09:14 PM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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Ah Nate, Perhaps with all your wisdom, you can find the 'cause' to the ejection issue that crashes entire hosted servers in the Hawk, now that would be some real DCS 'detective' work.
Huh? Nate
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#4357370 - 05/14/17 09:43 PM
Re: DCS: VEAO Hawk EFM & Damage Model
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Now that is how VEAO's next coder would no doubt have responded when opening the hawk code for the 1st time after sacking Tango Ok Nate
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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