#4354663 - 04/30/17 11:46 PM
Don't attack 2 seaters!
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Macklroy
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PSA - Don't attack two seaters under any circumstance if you are attached to your pilot!
You have been warned!
Carry on.
postscript - I have told myself a hundred times that I would not attack 2 seaters any longer. The sniper like quality in their gunnery is so ridiculous it borders on ludicrous. My flight of 4 was engaging 2 DFWs when I attacked from almost directly above. Coming down in a near vertical dive pushing the limits of my neiuports stress capabilities I opened up at 300meters and followed the attack through STRAIGHT DOWN. 2 bullets hit me...why the gunner was aiming at me when 3 other craft were hanging on their tails at 50 meters banging away...no idea. Dead instantly!
Sigh....broke my own rules so I have no one to blame but myself. Oh well. This solidifies my position...I will NEVER engage a two seater under any circumstance. I will also set rear gunnery to Less accurate in hopes my wingmates can survive.
Last edited by Macklroy; 04/30/17 11:51 PM.
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#4354734 - 05/01/17 01:23 PM
Re: Don't attack 2 seaters!
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Robert_Wiggins
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PSA - Don't attack two seaters under any circumstance if you are attached to your pilot!
You have been warned!
Carry on.
postscript - I have told myself a hundred times that I would not attack 2 seaters any longer. The sniper like quality in their gunnery is so ridiculous it borders on ludicrous. My flight of 4 was engaging 2 DFWs when I attacked from almost directly above. Coming down in a near vertical dive pushing the limits of my neiuports stress capabilities I opened up at 300meters and followed the attack through STRAIGHT DOWN. 2 bullets hit me...why the gunner was aiming at me when 3 other craft were hanging on their tails at 50 meters banging away...no idea. Dead instantly!
Sigh....broke my own rules so I have no one to blame but myself. Oh well. This solidifies my position...I will NEVER engage a two seater under any circumstance. I will also set rear gunnery to Less accurate in hopes my wingmates can survive. They are fair game if you position yourself on their six well below the tail and rake them from below but dont come up level on their tail or you become the fair game!! Dont move in close when they are in formation. Pot shots from a distace to break them up or wait for your mates to do it, then move in on the single separated aircraft. Stay below and if he banks to give his gunner a shot swing to the opposite side. If the two seater doesn't have frontal guns, attack head on and dive steeply under in a sharp turn bringing you back under them. This has worked for me but it is tedious, time consuming, and offers only short opportunities. As you said, two seaters are tough.
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#4354799 - 05/01/17 06:36 PM
Re: Don't attack 2 seaters!
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I find high speed slashing attacks from up high at an angle to be very effective while my wingmen approach the target from their 6 o'clock position. By splitting their fire between multiple attackers,reducing time in range by using high speed to get in and out quickly and coming in at an angle so I'm not a relative stationary target, I do pretty well. After the attack pass, I extend and zoom climb out of range back up to a perch and prepare to repeat the attack as soon as my wingman are back in place. The keys is to be patient and wait for everything to be in its place. Impatience usually leads to being wounded or dead, in my experience.
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#4354800 - 05/01/17 06:45 PM
Re: Don't attack 2 seaters!
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Rugbyfan1972
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If you are having trouble attacking 2 seaters, the following thread from some time ago may help: Need some advice on shooting down 2 seaters Credit for this has to go to Oldhat who started the thread and RAFLouvert, for his detailed explanation of how he attacks them.
Last edited by Rugbyfan1972; 05/01/17 06:52 PM.
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#4354802 - 05/01/17 06:46 PM
Re: Don't attack 2 seaters!
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Ace_Pilto
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High speed slashing attacks... ![[Linked Image]](http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/016/729/large.jpg) ^He's laughing because he flying a flying Fokker E.II career Anyway, just use the rear gunner mod and put them on the lowest accuracy settings. Then you will see why Roland Garros bothered to bolt steel plates to his airscrew in order to fire forwards. You still have top be careful though, break off when you see those tracers coming your way.
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#4355338 - 05/04/17 03:24 PM
Re: Don't attack 2 seaters!
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RAF_Louvert
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IMHO, when it comes to successfully knocking down 2-seaters, it's about preparation, precaution, patience, and prayer.
And that, my fine fellow fliers, is my ad hoc attempt at alliteratory advice aimed at aiding all aspiring aviators alting aloft and attacking artificial antagonists.
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#4355353 - 05/04/17 04:25 PM
Re: Don't attack 2 seaters!
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Ace_Pilto
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IMHO, when it comes to successfully knocking down 2-seaters, it's about preparation, precaution, patience, and prayer.
And that, my fine fellow fliers, is my ad hoc attempt at alliteratory advice aimed at aiding all aspiring aviators alting aloft and attacking artificial antagonists. Alliteration is one of my favourite linguistic devices. Perception is another "P" you could throw in there also. Watching that gunner and breaking away when he has a firing solution is very important.
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Wenn ihr sieg im deine Kampf selbst gegen, wirst stark wie Stahl sein.
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#4355355 - 05/04/17 04:41 PM
Re: Don't attack 2 seaters!
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Robert_Wiggins
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Ace I suspect that if you and Lou get to trading linguistic phrases, we will all be in for a sweer treat! 
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#4355356 - 05/04/17 04:54 PM
Re: Don't attack 2 seaters!
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RAF_Louvert
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Possibly Robert, but I for one am sweer to start down that path.
hee hee
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