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#4353603 - 04/26/17 12:08 PM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
I wish the game had a dynamic campaign like Falcon BMS. I'd be compelled to buy everything if it did...


But didn't you learn by now that Dynamic Campaigns are teh hard to do? I thought the fanboi firebrigade of ED told you already enough times!

From the top of my head, the only flightsims so far with Dynamic Campaigns were:

F-19 Stealth Fighter (Microprose, 1988)
Their Finest Hour (Lucas Arts, 1989)
Red Baron (Sierra, 1990)
Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe (Lucas Arts, 1991)
Gunship 2000 (Microprose, 1991)
Aces of the Pacific (Sierra, 1992)
AV 8 B Harrier Assault (Domark, 1992)
F-15 Strike Eagle III (Microprose, 1993)
Aces over Europe (Sierra, 1993)
Falcon 3.0 (Spectrum Holobyte / Microprose, 1993)
Tornado (Digital Integration, 1993)
1942 The Pacific Air War (Microprose, 1994)
Eurofighter 2000 (Digital Image Design, 1995)
Navy Strike (Empire Interactive, 1995)
Flying Corps (Rowan Software, 1996)
Longbow 2 (Jane's Combat Simulations, 1997)
iF-22 (Interactive Magic, 1997)
Red Baron 2 (Sierra, 1998)
iF-18 Carrier Strike Fighter (Interactive Magic, 1998)
Total Air War (Digital Image Design, 1998)
European Air War (Microprose, 1998)
Falcon 4.0 (Microprose, 1998)
Enemy Engaged: Apache vs Havoc (Razorworks, 1998)
Mig Alley (Rowan Software, 1999)
B-17 II The Mighty Eighth (Microprose, 2000)
Enemy Engaged: Comanche vs Hokum (Razorworks, 2000)
Battle of Britain (Rowan Software, 2000)
IL2 Forgotten Battles (1C Company, 2003)
Pacific Fighters (1C Company, 2006)
Rise of Flight (777, 2009)
Wings: Over Flanders Fields (OBD Software, 2013)

So as you can see, it is impossible. Only Falcon 4 did it and the fools went under for it, hahaha! So be glad that ED will sell you scripted Mission Packs done by other people as affordable DLC rather than providing you with an immersive Career mode where you'll never fly the same mission twice.
Aren't they generous.

Lol, I keep editing this post because the list is so short I keep forgetting items.


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#4353692 - 04/26/17 05:12 PM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: Textanker]  
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Exactly, having a DC in DCS not only is impossible, it's also a very bad idea because then a lot of mission-making jobs would be lost. The social impact would be terrible.

#4353726 - 04/26/17 07:10 PM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: Textanker]  
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Hehehe. And you know what's funny? Many of those sims listed also had a Full Mission Builder IN ADDITION to their campaign system. It was seen as an added bonus, not as a means for people to build their own content like it is today because the developer didn't provide any, other than just a bunch of scripted single missions called "campaign" because someone wrote a "story" in a .txt file lol! The Full Mission Builder was added for people who wanted to play out specific scenarios or make special challenges and distribute them over floppies or the net. It was not the meat of the game. Even more had - in addition or in absence of a Full Mission Builder - a Quick Mission Builder / Instant Action and scripted single / training missions on top of the campaign, too.
Take 1942 The Pacific Air War as an example. It had:

- Scripted Single Missions / Historic Missions
- A career mode with generated missions, Squadron and Pilot record tracking.
- A Strategic mode where you commanded carrier fleets in Pacific Campaigns, either with historical or randomized set up and positions. Example: Provide air cover for the invasion Fleet to Port Moresby. Send out scouts to search for the enemy carriers. Order an Airstrike against the identified fleet and jump into the cockpit of either the fighter escort or the torpedo / dive bombers.
- A replay mode that you could edit professionally in game, with free camera positions, rewind, even tackling a specific frame by number, etc, making cinematic movies. And it actually worked.
- Fly as gunner in a Torpedo / Dive Bomber

Or as an example for Jetsims: Tornado. It had:

- Instant Action
- Scripted Single Missions / Training
- A campaign mode where you only flew a single Tornado, not having to worry about anything else
- A campaign mode where you planned missions for your Tornado flight
- A campaign mode where you were the Squadron commander and planned missions for all the Tornadoes, both IDS and ADV versions. Set up CAP, plan Strike Missions against enemy airfields, AD sites, Army, POL, etc. Check out the theater map in recon mode and see the craters your bomblets put on the enemy runway.

Another example: Domark's Harrier:

- Single / Training Missions yada yada, you get the point. Don't even need to mention it, that was the bare minimum to be expected.
- A campaign mode where you had to invade an enemy island. You could plan the whole ground war yourself, or load up a default ground war attack plan. Plan the Harrier missions, too. Then jump into your Harrier and blow #%&*$# up in support of that ground war plan. That thing ran in real time even when you were back home on your carrier, checking your stores supply / air wing status.

All of that usually packed in immersive menus / art, with great music on top etc, oh, and a 100+ page hard copy manual, thank you very much.

Now you get 10 or 20 scripted missions called a "campaign", presented with an Excel style menu and dull music. Talking about manuals is probably moot at this point. And when you confront them with it (you know, their game having NO GAMEPLAY), you have 20 fanbois jumping out of the woodwork saying IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!!1! Very many thanks to those, you know who you are. Your shilling is responsible for DCS still being in such a dull state today. What's funny is that most of the time, those people are the "I ONLY FLY ONLINE" Air Quakers, who couldn't care less about offline gameplay and are only shilling because they see their love affair being attacked.



#4353730 - 04/26/17 07:31 PM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: heartc]  
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Mission Planning and Immersion in Digital Integration's Tornado:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvyBrX1eK4I

Mission Planning and Immersion in Eagle Dynamic's LOMAC / FC / BS / FC2 / BS 2 / A-10 / DCS World:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdSIZiEUxjY

And btw., it's not just about immersion. It's about realism, too - and in a big way. It matters little that the squelch button on the radio is modelled when at the same time you are CLAIRVOYANT. You can play each mission exactly ONE time, after that you are the equivalent of a CLAIRVOYANT pilot. That's kinda, hm, I dunno, a biggie. It changes completely how you plan and fly a mission. My, how the militaries iRL would love THAT. I bet ya they would give up on their latest and greatest smart bombs if they could have THAT instead. And don't anyone give me "b-but you can put random elements in the mission". First, only very few missions have that, and even then, you are still clairvoyant for the most part. To make matters worse, ED screwed up even that part of the Mission Builder. The most basic and simple function any Mission Builder should have are not there, like, uhm, a random placement radius for units and waypoints?? No, instead you have to write scripts or set logic functions to emulate such basic functions in an ass-backwards way. The incompetence is unbelievable.

#4353743 - 04/26/17 08:15 PM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: Textanker]  
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That second video is spot on!

#4353744 - 04/26/17 08:19 PM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: Textanker]  
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#4353991 - 04/27/17 05:44 PM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: Textanker]  
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Oh man, I'm in Nostalgia mode now again. Flightsims back then were really a WORK OF ART. I know many of you guys are coming from the same angle as I do and know many of the old sims and Golden Days, but OTOH there are many noobs i.e. young people now joining our ranks, too, who would not have witnessed the glory days, so to those - and the olds hands, for old times sake - take a look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBKVKCY-Sr0
(Falcon 3.0)

And this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwZUJLXPvBs
(Tornado)

I'm talking about the music (and the general art direction).

Here is a "menu system" of a civilian flightsim back then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN3CU0V1QEY **

I will not claim that this makes or breaks a flightsim, but it shows how masterful and complete flightsim developement was back then, and how much thought and heart went into their work. Now compare that with your Excel sheet menus and uninspired scripted mission bull**** that is presented to you now these days, while asking for 70 bucks, which is probably like 140+ in the old days when corrected for inflation and relatively declining wages. And we're not even talking about the several hundred pages thick hard copy manual you got with a hardcore flightsim back then, which was also packed with interesting history synopses etc. Heck, for that kind of manual alone you would have to pay somewhat around 30 bucks today.

Moral of the story: You are getting much less today for a lot more money than back then. And that's true on all fronts, really. Think about that. And no, the answer is not "Deal with it" like the shills will claim. At least not in the manner they mean. The answer is not communism either, far from it. The answer is to seek out the gangster, the one who is feeding you the bull$hit while claiming "Everything's fine - hey, was that a micro-aggression I was feeling from you?" The one who will cry out in pain as he strikes you.
You gota cut through the bull$hit and get to the heart of the maggot. Like these glorious bastards did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1U73vUEbb4 . And then fly to the stars. I'm 100% serious, btw. and I'm mostly talking to you young folks now, because most of the old farts are already hardwired in the BS and their cause is lost, they have succumbed to the bull$hit by now. But for you, your future lies in your hands. Don't hand it over to the con artists like the old farts did. Don't join them in their blame game when they call you out for imaginary crimes they themselves invented for the sole purpose of constricting you, when all you do is act out of your God given rights and instinct. Instead, call them out on their bull$hit scheme and destroy them, and never apologize. For there is zero blame on you. Only much responsibility. For you, and for your glorious future. Choose between that, or a zombie like existence with bull$hit raining down on your head 24/7, ad infinitum. Read Orwell's 1984, if you'll read anything at all.


**It also had a KICK ASS flight model, unrivaled for a long time until the very latest sims like DCS / CLOD / ROF.
FSX still couldn't hold its water, and even XPlane is missing out on some of it, like ground handling in windy conditions etc. although their approach with simulating the actual airflow over the airplane surfaces in real time is very similar.
Here is a promo video of Flight Unlimited (1), and even though it was promotional material, what the guy says was actually true:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y1p0hgtfp4

#4354003 - 04/27/17 08:12 PM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: Textanker]  
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And yet, all from the list above except 777 and 1C are out of business... Even 777's recent revival of idea of Dynamic Campaigns is only result of community (Pat Wilson) doing the job they should've done in the first place.

I agree with You about superior single player content of the old flight sims (racing sims as well, my second favourite PC gaming genre, suffering from the very same problems nowadays), but seriously - the "answer" You give sounds borderline delusional. Too much rose-tinted-glasses nostalgia, man wink.

I myself would love to see a full blown successor of my beloved "Aces of the Pacific" from Sierra, but I know it's never going to happen, at least not in that scale. Uh, not even holding my breath for planned 777's "Battle of Midway" project, as this one will start only IF "Battle of Kuban" brings enough revenue.

#4354008 - 04/27/17 08:41 PM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: Textanker]  
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But the point is that they are out of business NOT because they did a good job on art direction and gameplay, but because the gaming market went mainstream and shooters for the retarded masses are indeed more easy to make, so for a broad mass market appeal you will indeed get a better ROI with shooters. But by now, we have the situation that all the retarded main stream market is well established and there are plenty of niche markets to tackle, only that those niche market developers are well aware of their limited competition so that they see little reason to put in more effort as long as their niche market is "thankful" for getting any product at all. So the point is, it's up TO YOU guys to DEMAND $hit, and any naysayer and fanboi that is sucking up the bull$hit and making up excuses only serves to maintain the relatively sub-par status quo.

And my answer was targetted onto a field much larger than flightsims, in which flightsim devs do not even register as a culprit, but merely act as a symptom. Yet, I will call out bull$hit when I see it, especially when it is sold to me on a golden plate.

#4354020 - 04/27/17 09:18 PM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: Art_J]  
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Originally Posted by Art_J
Uh, not even holding my breath for planned 777's "Battle of Midway" project, as this one will start only IF "Battle of Kuban" brings enough revenue.

Yeah I read that. Not a great sales pitch if you ask me. Why buy a theatre you're not interested in (Kuban) in the hope that enough folk buy Kuban so you can get midway? There's a lot of talk on the BoS forums about Midway and the pacific. Being told it may not happen, if folk who already own everything don't buy more, seems desperate to me. Why buy Kuban if the franchise is on life support if you're tired of the eastern front? Seems stupid to me


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#4354041 - 04/27/17 10:35 PM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Ouch!! heartc's burn is too much! Unfortunately, I am too young to have played all those other sims...


Originally Posted by Art_J
And yet, all from the list above except 777 and 1C are out of business... Even 777's recent revival of idea of Dynamic Campaigns is only result of community (Pat Wilson) doing the job they should've done in the first place.

Yeah, but then you start to see that "making a DC was the downfall of Falcon" excuse starts to lose steam....
ED made a poll and having a DC won... what are they doing about that info? What are they doing when their market blatantly tells them what they want? Zilch.


Originally Posted by Johnny_Redd
Originally Posted by Art_J
Uh, not even holding my breath for planned 777's "Battle of Midway" project, as this one will start only IF "Battle of Kuban" brings enough revenue.

Yeah I read that. Not a great sales pitch if you ask me. Why buy a theatre you're not interested in (Kuban) in the hope that enough folk buy Kuban so you can get midway? There's a lot of talk on the BoS forums about Midway and the pacific. Being told it may not happen, if folk who already own everything don't buy more, seems desperate to me. Why buy Kuban if the franchise is on life support if you're tired of the eastern front? Seems stupid to me

Maybe they're trying out this awesome business model that ED is on?
Everyone wants 2.5, so let's do Normandy first. And these campaigns.


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#4354067 - 04/28/17 12:11 AM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: Textanker]  
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And btw., since I feel like my point would be incomplete if I wouldn't let the Master Pete Bonanni himself speak up as an example of the level of sophistication you got back then when you were involved in the flightsim market either as a dev, or as a customer:

So, with all credits to the original devs and the man himself (and the Youtuber), I present to you, THE ART OF THE KILL, by Pete Bonanni, who is using Falcon 3.0 for a presentation of Basic Fighter Maneuvers, in front of what I gather to be one of the first "Online" Squads:

https://youtu.be/pzdyJdOUYRQ?t=11

I also have a vid somewhere where the Jane's team was joining a briefing for an A-10 sortie when they were developing their "Jane's A-10" which unfortunately never saw the light of day, since it was about to come up just around the corner when the PC
market was swallowed up in retarded main stream crap and Electronic Arts decided to pull the plug on Jane's Combat Simulations. I will see if I can dig it up.

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Hehehe, hey Ice, take heart: My talk is not meant to burn you, but to rekindle the fire lost... smile

#4354071 - 04/28/17 12:28 AM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: heartc]  
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Originally Posted by heartc

I also have a vid somewhere where the Jane's team was joining a briefing for an A-10 sortie when they were developing their "Jane's A-10" which unfortunately never saw the light of day, since it was about to come up just around the corner when the PC
market was swallowed up in retarded mainstream crap and Electronic Arts decided to pull the plug on Jane's Combat Simulations. I will see if I can dig it up.


Hmm, no, couldn't find it. I only have it on my HD somewhere, but I have no youtube account or anything to upload it to. Also can't quite remember where I downloaded it from, it was some nostalgia website that paid tribute to the Jane's sims. So, whatever. It was interesting in so far as the briefing guy (well, it was actually a woman...make of that what you will - for my part, I call bull$hit on it) was briefing the A-10 guys on their attack plan and the Jane's team was filming it to make yet another amazing flightsim that however never came to be, unfortunately.

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Man...this thread went off the rails quick.

Heartc...the topic of flight sims and their development is controversial enough without getting into morality, politics, race, gender etc.

I'm going to lock the thread temporarily and do some cleanup. I will open it back up tomorrow...try to stay on topic so the thread can
stay open and not disappear into the bowels of SimHQ.

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Thread back open...stay on topic please.


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#4354254 - 04/28/17 06:16 PM Re: SALE!!! Buy something! [Re: heartc]  
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Originally Posted by heartc
Hehehe, hey Ice, take heart: My talk is not meant to burn you, but to rekindle the fire lost... smile

Oh, I invite you to read my "history" on this sub-forum and realize that I was not burned by that at all wink


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I'm not a minion of ED but I find it crazy that anyone could dislike the UH-1. It is a fantastic aircraft and is IMO a very good representation of the real thing. Not perfect but it's the best Huey that exists in any simulation available to the general public, and if you're not having fun flying it I think you must be impossible to please.

I recently bought the Gazelle and am looking forward to trying it out once I have a bit more time. I have heard the FM is not quite there yet, but as others have mentioned the MI-8 also started out rough but it has become one of the real jewels of the DCS collection. The MI-8 is currently my favorite DCS module. I fly the bejeezus out of it and enjoy doing insanely overweight landings at altitudes far too high for comfort. How is that not fun?

I think buying "in production" or "pre-release" versions is just a gamble people need to learn to live with. You buy the module with the knowledge and expectation that it could be crap. I bought the Mirage 2000 when it first came out and was quickly disappointed with its ridiculous ground handling (Remember the Reliant Robin from Mr. Bean always tipping over?) but they gradually worked out the kinks, fixed the textures, and now it is a great aircraft and it is just getting better and better.

Give the developers time to patch up the holes and in the meantime, play the hell out of what you've got. Try not to take yourself so seriously. Support developers with your purchases and if the developers completely abandon a project, never buy from them again.
If you don't believe in the pre-release purchase model, just don't buy the module and your problems are solved. Go spend the $40 on something else. You can buy a steak dinner for that price and it'll last you about an hour or two, then you'll literally flush it out the toilet the next day. I've been playing with my Huey which I bought for the same money or less, for probably more than 500 hours over the years.

I suppose that a few DCS modules may have been abandoned (C101 and Hawk?) but the other modules seem to have fairly frequent updates to the functionality. Sometimes changes in DCS break the modules but followup patches usually get issued within hours or days.

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Despite the many delays and on going issues that frustrate the crap out of me at times, DCS fills a niche that I cant get from other sims.

And I agree, the Huey is a pretty solid performer. I just wish multicrew would be added. As for the Hippo, I cant wrap my head around the autopilot and trimming system. But it's gorgeous too.

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Mind you, "SimHQ's-anti-ED-guerillas" don't have the problem with quality of Huey / Mi-8 or other relatively polished DCS modules. They do have a problem with limited gameplay potential of the core sim when you already know the aircraft and its systems inside out, but with linear, heavily scripted campaigns of limited replay value (obviously) you start thinking "what to do with this aircraft next"? Especially when someone's strictly an offline-player. Any dynamic campaign functionality would help with that issue.

I still enjoy flying DCS crates just for the sake of flying, but I understand bored combat veterans over here biggrin.

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