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#4350298 - 04/10/17 06:46 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: FlyingToaster]  
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Guess I'm in the minority. I'm loving the two new movies and expect to be happy with the next ones. As good as Ep 4 & 5, continuing what I've always loved about those movies. At this point I could completely do without the Anakin prequels, although Clones wasn't too bad if you cut out the Anakin/Padme scenes.
I never thought I'd see this level of movie for the SW universe, really stepping up the storytelling and bringing back characters I like.


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#4350299 - 04/10/17 06:48 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: FlyingToaster]  
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If you take out Jar Jar Binks and the Keystone-cop like Trade Federation droids, Phantom Menace wouldn't be nearly as bad. smile


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#4350300 - 04/10/17 06:50 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: FlyingToaster]  
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It would still be terrible, but perhaps not as bad.
I'd rather keep them and ditch Anakin, pod racing and midichlorians.
The only cool thing about that movie was young Obi Wan and the coolest bad guy they've ever had with Darth Maul. Then they promptly killed him.


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#4350302 - 04/10/17 06:56 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Jayhawk

The idea for Star Wars basically comes from a guy who loved Kurosawa films and combined those with old Flash Gordon/ Buck Rogers serials.



Genau! smile


When I first watched "The Hidden Fortress" by Kurosawa I was really stunned at the similarities between the princess and the two peasants with Leia/C3PO/R2D2. The inspiration was undeniable.


Also the "screen wiping" cutting effect between different chapters. Trademark Kurosawa.

Other Kurosawa themes that come to mind which also translated into Star Wars (specifically ANH): Kambei and Katsushirō from Seven Samurai (Obi-Wan and Luke); Han Solo borrowed some character traits from Yojimbo (scoundrel with a hidden heart of gold, but brutal if he has to be); the "evil" general from Hidden Fortress as blueprint for Vader; the hiding under the floor panels bit from Sanjuro


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#4350307 - 04/10/17 07:13 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: FlyingToaster]  
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Good post Jayhawk! It's also no coincidence that Lucas initially thought of casting Toshiro Mifune in the role of Obi-Wan but unfortunately there was that language barrier issue.


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#4350310 - 04/10/17 07:19 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: FlyingToaster]  
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Rogue One is a Star Wars film. It is not a Star Wars saga film, hence it has no Episode moniker, but it's not separate.

However, given that it is an immediate prequel to Ep 4 and features numerous characters from the saga films, not calling it Star Wars is inaccurately hairsplitting. The follicle cannot be separated.

The two Ewok TV films could be described as not Star Wars since other than Ewoks it seemed to be in Earth's future, with characters literally from Earth and no talk of an Empire, Rebellion, or other characters. A parallel moon to the one in ROTJ.

Rebels almost could've been that, but once they started bringing in Vader and Maul and Kenobi and Lando and R2 and C3PO and Leia and Wedge and Mon Mothma and Bail Organa (did I miss any?) it was no longer outside the saga.

Seeing as the Han Solo film is also going to be a backstory film, this is heavily in favor of the 6th unannounced film being either Fett or Kenobi "between the trilogy" like the other 2 are.



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#4350312 - 04/10/17 07:28 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: FlyingToaster]  
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From the official Star Wars website:

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So I'd say, yeah, it's a Star Wars movie. smile


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#4350337 - 04/10/17 09:54 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: FlyingToaster]  
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That is the Rogue One logo with Star Wars official font at the bottom, indicating that it belongs to their Star Wars franchise,

Here is the logo for the Star Wars non-stand-alone film series:

Last Jedi logo

So I say what Disney marketing said: it's Rogue One, a Star Wars story. Not Star Wars, Rogue One. That is different.

It does not matter how many cameo appearances there are, or the sheer amount of fan service; this is how Disney is creating their new EU, by doing backstories and filler stories, via multiple media platforms (cinema, TV-shows, books, games). They take place in the same universe, but do not belong to the main story arc; hence different branding. And totally stand-alone stories.

So my hairsplitting, while annoying, is still correct. neaner [size:18pt][/size]

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#4350554 - 04/11/17 11:21 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: FlyingToaster]  
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yay!


#4350561 - 04/12/17 01:01 AM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Originally Posted by Jayhawk
That is the Rogue One logo with Star Wars official font at the bottom, indicating that it belongs to their Star Wars franchise,

Here is the logo for the Star Wars non-stand-alone film series:

Last Jedi logo

So I say what Disney marketing said: it's Rogue One, a Star Wars story. Not Star Wars, Rogue One. That is different.

It does not matter how many cameo appearances there are, or the sheer amount of fan service; this is how Disney is creating their new EU, by doing backstories and filler stories, via multiple media platforms (cinema, TV-shows, books, games). They take place in the same universe, but do not belong to the main story arc; hence different branding. And totally stand-alone stories.

So my hairsplitting, while annoying, is still correct. neaner [size:18pt][/size]

To me, if it's a movie, and has Star Wars in the title, it's a Star Wars movie :P


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#4350618 - 04/12/17 11:54 AM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: Bib4Tuna]  
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Originally Posted by Bib4Tuna
Did anyone else noticed that Krennic was promoted after capturing #%&*$# Erso from Six Cherry Jolly Ranchers (really?... that name is censored?).

[Linked Image]

to Six Cherry Jolly Ranchers and Six Hall's Mentho-Lyptus Ice Peppermint Drops , which is somehow the inverse candy rank as Tarkin?

[Linked Image]





I've discovered that rank insignia on most sci-fi movies and tv shows don't make much sense.


I think the best established rank insignia and nomenclature ever devised was for the original cast Star Trek films (from ST II through ST VI). And besides, those red and black uniforms just looked super great.


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#4350626 - 04/12/17 12:28 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I've discovered that rank insignia on most sci-fi movies and tv shows don't make much sense.


I think the best established rank insignia and nomenclature ever devised was for the original cast Star Trek films (from ST II through ST VI). And besides, those red and black uniforms just looked super great.


I reckon a lot of them are retro-realised and are probably the originally designed to look somewhat "rankish" without a clear progression in mind smile


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