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#4350196 - 04/10/17 12:52 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: DM]  
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Originally Posted by DM
Jedi, not "light side Sith", of course biggrin brainfart.



I'd call that "happy accident", because the Jedi as presented by the prequels are, in the best case, a bunch of incompetent hypocrites, and worst case, not all that different from the Sith. The Sith at least were up front and unapologetic about their methods. biggrin


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#4350203 - 04/10/17 01:12 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: FlyingToaster]  
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Jayhawk, I do agree that there is such a thing as over-analyzing/over-thinking a scifi movie or franchise.


But hey, us geeks need to stay busy. biggrin


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#4350205 - 04/10/17 01:27 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Originally Posted by Jayhawk
IMO, Star Wars stopped being Star Wars in 1983. Everything coming afterwards is just expensive fan fiction. (Lucas was his own biggest fan, so there! smile ). Of all the fan fiction since then, I much prefer the animated series "Rebels" to the rest of the material. Oh, and the novel "Lost Stars". Incidentally, both are geared towards a teenage audience, yet are - IMO - better than the big budget movies that have been produced between 1999 and now.


I didn't really even dig RoTJ if I'm honest. It fell far, far short of the huge promise of TESB. IMO it should have ended the way it was (allegedly) supposed to end: that Luke went to the dark side to protect his sister. But, Lucas wanted no barriers to selling his Luke Skywalker toy range, so there you have it :/


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#4350206 - 04/10/17 01:27 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Jayhawk, I do agree that there is such a thing as over-analyzing/over-thinking a scifi movie or franchise.


But hey, us geeks need to stay busy. biggrin



I was referring to those at Disney in charge of "developing" the franchise (Kennedy and her minions).

Geeks on the other hand should over-analyze and then debate endlessly with each other to their heart's content. biggrin


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#4350208 - 04/10/17 01:32 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: DM]  
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Originally Posted by DM
Originally Posted by Jayhawk
IMO, Star Wars stopped being Star Wars in 1983. Everything coming afterwards is just expensive fan fiction. (Lucas was his own biggest fan, so there! smile ). Of all the fan fiction since then, I much prefer the animated series "Rebels" to the rest of the material. Oh, and the novel "Lost Stars". Incidentally, both are geared towards a teenage audience, yet are - IMO - better than the big budget movies that have been produced between 1999 and now.


I didn't really even dig RoTJ if I'm honest. It fell far, far short of the huge promise of TESB. IMO it should have ended the way it was (allegedly) supposed to end: that Luke went to the dark side to protect his sister. But, Lucas wanted no barriers to selling his Luke Skywalker toy range, so there you have it :/



Figures that the best Star Wars film was the one with which Lucas was least involved. biggrin

Lucas unfortunately did not understand and recongnize his true strenths, and thought he could do it all by himself.


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Originally Posted by Jayhawk


I was referring to those at Disney in charge of "developing" the franchinse (Kennedy and her minions).




Ah, ok. Well, until Disney has a Star Wars movie flop at the box office, they won't be changing their methodology any time soon.


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#4350210 - 04/10/17 01:40 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Originally Posted by Jayhawk
Figures that the best Star Wars film was the one with which Lucas was least involved. biggrin

Lucas unfortunately did not understand and recongnize his true strenths, and thought he could do it all by himself.


Lucas is interested in the merchandising primarily. Complex characters gets in the way of that smile

I will give Lucas his dues though - he does recognise good design when he sees it (for the most part. Ewoks and Jabba's palace shenanigans - eeuughhh). For me SW has always been about the design, and proved with the first movie that you cannot spend too much on design. But he himself is not as creative as he's credited for, but he is a good businessman I suppose.

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#4350227 - 04/10/17 03:04 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Originally Posted by Jayhawk
Originally Posted by DM
Originally Posted by Jayhawk
IMO, Star Wars stopped being Star Wars in 1983. Everything coming afterwards is just expensive fan fiction. (Lucas was his own biggest fan, so there! smile ). Of all the fan fiction since then, I much prefer the animated series "Rebels" to the rest of the material. Oh, and the novel "Lost Stars". Incidentally, both are geared towards a teenage audience, yet are - IMO - better than the big budget movies that have been produced between 1999 and now.


I didn't really even dig RoTJ if I'm honest. It fell far, far short of the huge promise of TESB. IMO it should have ended the way it was (allegedly) supposed to end: that Luke went to the dark side to protect his sister. But, Lucas wanted no barriers to selling his Luke Skywalker toy range, so there you have it :/



Figures that the best Star Wars film was the one with which Lucas was least involved. biggrin

Lucas unfortunately did not understand and recongnize his true strenths, and thought he could do it all by himself.



You think Rogue One was the best film? That's unusual.



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No, no, O Great Hairsplitter, I was of course referencing the time when he still owned the IP.

What Disney is doing to the franchise is SWINO. Just like the reboot of the Trek franchise. I like to call that "total conversion mod". smile

Also, Rogue One is not a Star Wars film, it's a separate film set in Disney's version of the Star Wars universe (different score, no title crawl...). The hairsplitting apprentice has now become the master. lightsabers


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#4350268 - 04/10/17 05:19 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: DM]  
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Originally Posted by DM
Originally Posted by Jayhawk
Figures that the best Star Wars film was the one with which Lucas was least involved. biggrin

Lucas unfortunately did not understand and recongnize his true strenths, and thought he could do it all by himself.


Lucas is interested in the merchandising primarily. Complex characters gets in the way of that smile

I will give Lucas his dues though - he does recognise good design when he sees it (for the most part. Ewoks and Jabba's palace shenanigans - eeuughhh). For me SW has always been about the design, and proved with the first movie that you cannot spend too much on design. But he himself is not as creative as he's credited for, but he is a good businessman I suppose.


IMO Lucas did quite a lot more. Together with Spielberg he basically invented the modern blockbuster. He revolutionized special effects. And he found a way to make schlock enjoyable to watch, and how to make a "Sithload" of money from selling merchandise. smile

The idea for Star Wars basically comes from a guy who loved Kurosawa films and combined those with old Flash Gordon/ Buck Rogers serials. And then...went nuts. popcorn


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#4350270 - 04/10/17 05:19 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: FlyingToaster]  
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Either way, Rogue One was a huge improvement over Force Awakens in my opinion.


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#4350272 - 04/10/17 05:22 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Originally Posted by Jayhawk

The idea for Star Wars basically comes from a guy who loved Kurosawa films and combined those with old Flash Gordon/ Buck Rogers serials.



Genau! smile


When I first watched "The Hidden Fortress" by Kurosawa I was really stunned at the similarities between the princess and the two peasants with Leia/C3PO/R2D2. The inspiration was undeniable.

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WHAT not a Star Wars film

Darth Vader check
X-wing fighters check
C3PO and R2DS check
light sabers check
Death Star check
guns that go pew-pew check
weak Rebels check
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#4350278 - 04/10/17 05:36 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: Falstar]  
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Originally Posted by Falstar
WHAT not a Star Wars film...


Exactly. Not a Star Wars (tm) film. A Star Wars related story in the Star Wars universe.

According to Disney, only films following the, let's call it Main Quest, are officially Star Wars films: Episodes I through whenever they are finished. The stand alone films (Rogue One, Han Solo, Boba Fett, Lando, Young Jabba, whatever) are considered "filler", or "Side Quests". Hence no "Star Wars" in the logo, a different score and no title crawl.


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While we argue about what is Star Wars and what isn't, Lucas is enjoying his 4 billion that he made from selling his IP. biggrin


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And apparently he's already regretting having sold it to Disney.

I would have taken the money, renamed Skywalker Ranch into Howard the Duck Ranch (oh no, wait, isn't Howard the Duck also Disney's IP?Had a cameo in Guardians of the Galaxy, so he probably belongs to Disney), and forget about the whole thing. Easy when you have an additional four billion reasons to forget.

And he can now focus on making Red Tails 2. smile


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#4350285 - 04/10/17 06:15 PM Re: Star Wars Rogue One [Re: Jayhawk]  
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Originally Posted by Jayhawk


And he can now focus on making Red Tails 2. smile



LOL Jayhawk. You're on a roll today!



Making a Red Tails 2 should qualify as a crime against humanity as per The Hague Convention.


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Originally Posted by Jayhawk
Originally Posted by Falstar
WHAT not a Star Wars film...


Exactly. Not a Star Wars (tm) film. A Star Wars related story in the Star Wars universe.

According to Disney, only films following the, let's call it Main Quest, are officially Star Wars films: Episodes I through whenever they are finished. The stand alone films (Rogue One, Han Solo, Boba Fett, Lando, Young Jabba, whatever) are considered "filler", or "Side Quests". Hence no "Star Wars" in the logo, a different score and no title crawl.


Unofficially, any stories (movies) where C3PO or R2 are not directly involved (in many and varying degrees) are Extended Universe, since they are the witnesses to the story, Especially R2, since 3PO's memory was wiped. Rogue One falls more in the category or Clone Wars and Rebels....and the Ewoks cartoons. For me, these are just fan-fic stories. I don't need fan service.

The movies have shown to me that Star Wars is best when it's telling a new (separate) story. When it tries to tie things together or do any kind of prequel, it just messes things up. and need to force apologetic arguments to glue things together so they still make sense.

Still, if anybody would make the Timothy Zahn's Thrawn quadrology (soon to be a pentalogy....ummm...quintology?) as movies, I would pay good money to see that....even though they were disavowed when Disney bought the rights.



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I took a look at his IMDb page. Does he get any royalties from lets say, "Robot Chicken" and the gay xxx parodies?

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Originally Posted by Falstar
Does he get any royalties from lets say, "Robot Chicken" and the gay xxx parodies?




My understanding is no because usually parodies are exempt from copyright issues.

For example, I don't think Mel Brooks had to pay Lucas for making "Spaceballs".

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