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#4346714 - 03/24/17 11:36 PM Re: I worry about the new Army handgun, Sig Sauer... [Re: Magnum]  
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Do you even shotgun bro?

FliteControl buck should be one holing it until at least 10 yards, maybe as many as 15, as long as you're running an open choke.

Unless you have a really big house (where you could probably get away with just using your ARs) you should be good.

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#4346752 - 03/25/17 07:11 AM Re: I worry about the new Army handgun, Sig Sauer... [Re: Magnum]  
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You could look at the X95. It's a new bullpup 5.56mm. Available to civies in Canada and USA now.

What is it? It's the Israeli military's latest issue rifle, and will be issued widely, to most IDF soldiers.

Basically, when they started testing of the IWI Tavor TAR-21, it seems like their specops guys wanted some changes for the ultra-compact version... and it evolved from "Micro Tavor" into the X95. I think it feels a bit lighter, it's generally got better ergonomics. Has mounting rails built in, and rail covers come with it standard.

The Israeli IDF issue version would have a very short 13" barrel as STANDARD ISSUE... blurring the lines between infantry weapon and PDW defensive weapon. Seems to be because of so much vehicle operations and urban room clearing... short is sweet for them.

The civilian version looks a little different, and has civie legal barrel lengths, for Canada that would be 18.5 inches or shorter for Restricted category, and probably something like 16.5 inch for Americans, I think.

Pricey... but this is no "range toy". It's a practical and totally modern design that has been field tested with evolving improvements since about 2001, in one of the harshest operational regions of the world. And being from the Tavor family, that had development prior to that, I think they started engineering it in around 1995. So this is a "mature" product.


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#4346758 - 03/25/17 08:57 AM Re: I worry about the new Army handgun, Sig Sauer... [Re: Magnum]  
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Yes, for Israeli conditions they favor short weapons. The UZI was their standard for a long time and it is very short.


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#4347051 - 03/26/17 09:29 PM Re: I worry about the new Army handgun, Sig Sauer... [Re: Magnum]  
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Mag, just to be clear when you say it jammed, do you mean fail to fire/feed, light primer strike, stovepipe, etc.?

#4347064 - 03/26/17 10:54 PM Re: I worry about the new Army handgun, Sig Sauer... [Re: Magnum]  
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fail to feed...already on the way to Sig.

#4347489 - 03/28/17 06:13 PM Re: I worry about the new Army handgun, Sig Sauer... [Re: Rick.50cal]  
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Originally Posted by Rick.50cal

You could look at the X95. It's a new bullpup 5.56mm. Available to civies in Canada and USA now.

What is it? It's the Israeli military's latest issue rifle, and will be issued widely, to most IDF soldiers.

Basically, when they started testing of the IWI Tavor TAR-21, it seems like their specops guys wanted some changes for the ultra-compact version... and it evolved from "Micro Tavor" into the X95. I think it feels a bit lighter, it's generally got better ergonomics. Has mounting rails built in, and rail covers come with it standard.

The Israeli IDF issue version would have a very short 13" barrel as STANDARD ISSUE... blurring the lines between infantry weapon and PDW defensive weapon. Seems to be because of so much vehicle operations and urban room clearing... short is sweet for them.

The civilian version looks a little different, and has civie legal barrel lengths, for Canada that would be 18.5 inches or shorter for Restricted category, and probably something like 16.5 inch for Americans, I think.

Pricey... but this is no "range toy". It's a practical and totally modern design that has been field tested with evolving improvements since about 2001, in one of the harshest operational regions of the world. And being from the Tavor family, that had development prior to that, I think they started engineering it in around 1995. So this is a "mature" product.



Standard issue was to be 16.5", but it seems like a 15" will become the norm. It has other new features, probably the new trigger found in the civi versions. I read a review of people who were issued the X95 and that had horrible things to say about it. Sand got in it quickly making it jam more frequently than their old A1 era M16s, the plastic sling mounts and flip up sights tore off easily, sling locations were poor and reloading from prone was cumbersome. The most detailed "review" was on M4 Carbine.net or so, and he mentioned that different versions were actively being issued so maybe these were remedied.

When they came out here, they had some accuracy issues that the original Tavor didn't. Sounds like it was limited to a single batch or so. Still probably one of my highest "must haves".

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