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#4302371 - 10/11/16 11:01 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems ***** [Re: Hpasp]  
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On Dec. 7, the Israeli air force carried out a series of surgical air strikes inside Syria. Such strikes are not uncommon in Syria and Lebanonthe Israelis frequently attack convoys carrying weapons to Hezbollah militants in Lebanon and to and degrade Syrian regime forces in southwestern Syria.
But the Dec. 7 strike was fairly unique. For one, much of the air raid was captured on camera. And the video and photographic evidence reveals some very interesting Israeli tactics.

Two formation of Israeli fighter jets, each consisting of two F-15s, entered Syrian airspace at 1600 local time from the direction of Lebanon, heading from west to east toward Damascus at very high altitude and high speed.

The wide spacing between the Israeli jetsboth within each two-ship formation and between the two separate pairsis noteworthy. Theres a good probable cause for this arrangement.
Israeli fighters almost definitely were using electronic jamming to prevent Syrian air defense radars from tracking them at long distance. Russian-made air defense systems, including those in Syrias possession, include specific means of countering sophisticated enemy jamming.
In the absence of passive radars and an integrated air defense network, Syrian systems could probably still track the azimuth and elevation of incoming jamming signals via their own receiversalbeit with a considerable error margin.

That data could cue Syrian missile batteries optical sensors and allow the operators to fire toward the intruders. The spacing between the Israeli F-15s made the error margins overlap and thus made the Syrians direction-finding even less accurate, buying valuable time for the planes to get close to their targets.


At rightthe F-15s contrails are at left. The contrails on the right are from Buk missiles. At topIsraeli air force F-15Isl


Even under heavy jamming, Syrian Buk-M2 missile batteries stationed at Mezzeh airport managed to fire two missiles toward the first formation. The Israelis responded with a simple movethey changed direction.

In long-distance shots, medium-range surface-to-air missiles predict a point of impact ahead of incoming aircraft and travel a ballistic trajectory to reach that point. In the last phase of flight, the missile would correct its trajectory using its seeker. A significant change in the targets direction would mean that the missile would not find the aircraft in the predicted zone.

The first formation of F-15s drew the Syrian missiles toward themselves then turned toward north and released their weapons, striking a small airstrip called Al Sharai in Dimas region west of Damascus. The first formation then made a hard turn to the west and returned to Lebanese skies.
Not far behind, the second formation had already entered Syria.

The pair of F-15s approached Damascus head onthis time the Buk-M2 battery apparently waited for the intruders to change their direction or close in.

The Israeli F-15s released their standoff weapons and made a hard left turn toward the south. Two more Syrian missiles snaked into the skythe contrails indicating SA-3s. These missiles werent aiming for Israeli jets but for the missiles they had fired.

One of the SA-3s hit its target. The wreckage of a Popeye guided missile fell to the ground. The Popeye is a stand-off missile with a warhead weighing 700 pounds. It uses combination of infrared imagery and inertial guidance to precisely attack targets up to 50 miles away from the launch point.



The wreckage of the Popeye missile.


The surviving missiles from the second pair of F-15s struck vehicles and supplies on a ramp at Damascus international airport.


http://israel-aircraft-avions.blogspot.bg/2014/12/en-12-dec-2014-feedback-four-israeli-f.html

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#4309242 - 11/05/16 01:01 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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5 Bidders Emerge in Competition for Czech Republic Air Defense Systems

Five companies have submitted offers to supply mid-range air defense systems to the Czech Ministry of Defense. These include Lockheed Martin, MBDA, Kongsberg, Rafael and Diehl, according to Vladimir Lukovsky, a spokesperson for the Czech ministry.

Under the plan, the new missiles are to replace the Czech Republics Soviet-built 2K 12M KUB M systems. The outdated missiles are to be decommissioned in 2020, and the Czech ministry aims to acquire new air defense systems by then.

In the first phase of the procurement, Prague is planning to purchase less than 10 new batteries. The procurement is estimated to be worth at least 6 billion krona (US $246 million).

"According to the information obtained, the offers include the Lockheed Martin/MBDA MEADS system, Israeli Rafael Spyder system, Kongsbergs NASAMS SAM, as well as the German Diehl IRIS-T SLM system."

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/5-bi...defense-systems

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#4309253 - 11/05/16 01:38 PM Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS [Re: Hpasp]  
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#4312091 - 11/14/16 09:08 PM Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS [Re: Muggs]  
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#4313696 - 11/20/16 03:54 PM Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS [Re: Hpasp]  
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Video explaining how open source information helped in the investigation of MH-17 being downed by a BUK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mozxTk3Brqw

#4313735 - 11/20/16 06:47 PM Re: SAMSIM ANNOUNCEMENTS [Re: Muggs]  
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Video explaining how open source information helped in the investigation of MH-17 being downed by a BUK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mozxTk3Brqw


Thanks... There are two topics here, where you could add this video:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3984976/What_would_an_SA-11_operator_h#Post3984976

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4009604/What_type_of_missle_could_have#Post4009604

#4317183 - 12/03/16 04:12 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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First two batteries of BUK-M3 was accepted into service in Russia this year...

https://topwar.ru/104629-novosti-razviti...go-proekta.html

Nice graphic representation of the different BUK battery versions capabilities.


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#4317321 - 12/04/16 01:50 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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#4322011 - 12/21/16 09:14 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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Serbian Prime Minister said that Serbia it's in the process of acquiring six MiG-29 fighters and possible a BUK-M1 or M2 systems.

Serbian PM travels to Moscow to meet with Russia's Shoigu

It could also be another politicians lie because president elections are coming next spring.

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#4322775 - 12/23/16 08:07 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Markan]  
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It is simply a bad joke.
They push for the MiG-29 replacement, that acted like a goat during war.

Let's be specific, in 99 there were opposing to the entire NATO; 14 MiG-29, 12 Neva complex and 20 KUB complex.

14pcs MiG-29, included 4 inoperable at the beginning of the war. (typical)

At the first night of the war, half of the MiG-29 fleet was engaging, and 4 were shot down.

Second night of the war, 2 MiG-29 engaged NATO, and both were shot down.

At the 3rd night, Yugoslavia had 4 inoperable (cannibalized) MiG-29, 1 crashed in accident, so only 3 MiG-29 left combat ready.

During the remaining 75 the nights of the war, this 3 deployable MiG-29 flown only four (!!!) combat missions, by loosing one another plane, still without any result.

During 2009, one another MiG-29 fighter crashed, so only 3 MiG-29 left intact as of today. (not counting MiG-29UBs)



12 Neva systems (all in operable condition) started the war. NATO acknowledged, that they killed 2 planes (F-117, F-16).
During the 78 nights of the war, they engaged 50 times, launching 98 missiles.
6 complexes are active today, during the war 5 received damage beyond repair, and one was cannibalized for parts.

20pcs KUB batteries were unable to succeed against the ALE-50.
They opened fire 46 times, by launching 70 missiles.
12 KUB system remained active after the end of the war ...

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#4324387 - 12/29/16 09:40 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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Sweden: SAMP/T or Patriot?
Decision might happen already next spring...

http://www.svd.se/patriotmissiler-for-mi...-sakerhetslaget


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#4324643 - 12/30/16 05:11 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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Here is a tough nut for SAM system experts from Iran:







These are the first official publicized photos of what should be the guidance radar of the Talash system with its Sayyad-2 SAM.

My take on what can be seen:
The illumination radar is apparently formed by two separate trucks with two separate dishes. The truck seen in the third photo has a strange dish for a radar system as its seems to have a LNB type receiver only, no transmitting feed system can be seen. What can be seen are two directional transmitters at the sides for mid-course update proposes.

The illumination radar transmitter can be seen in the second photo. So the question that arises is why not integrating the illumination and tracking radar on one truck such as in some other Iranian illumination and tracking radars? The answer for me is the use of continuous wave illumination which cant be archived with a integrated transmitter-receiver system (at least not by older generation mechanically steered systems with high power output). Namely one of the purposes for this Talash system is to replace the massive 5N62 illumination radar of the S-200 with a mobile illumination system. So would a illumination radar which has FMCW transmitter receiver separation requirements, separated by space on two separate trucks be able to split the 5N62 to two smaller mobile systems?

I wonder how useful the lock on after launch capability of the S-200 is, for which the large data-link dish of the 5N62 would be used. If a LOAL system is operationally useful for the S-200, then the question arises whether the two directional antenna feed horns of the receiver truck mentioned above would be sufficient to maintain data-link with the S-200 missile at longer ranges, because its much smaller than the data link dish of the 5N62.

Beside the benefits of replacing the 5N62 with a new mobile illumination radar (called Ofoq apparently), there should also be a improvement of lock-on performance against more agile maneuvering fighter-type targets. The reduced masses and inertia of this smaller system together with improved steering system available today would reduce one of the biggest weak points the S-200 is claimed to have.

The S-200 in Iranian service already uses other detection radars other than the P-14 if necessary, including mobile long range radars available in the IADS. With a mobile replacement for the 5N62 an a mobile medium range SAM with the Sayyad-2, the long range SAM component of the Talash-S200 hybrid would be the last remaining static component of the system (at least a non-emitting one compared to the 5N62 and P-14). The huge radiopower of the S-200 would make this system a quite robust and deadly one especially if digitalized and equipped with new computers and solid-state components.

What is your take and what you think about this interpretation.

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Interview with William Bahret who was key figure of developing Stealth...



Happy New Year!
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#4324696 - 12/30/16 07:06 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Patarames]  
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Originally Posted By: Patarames

I wonder how useful the lock on after launch capability of the S-200 is, for which the large data-link dish of the 5N62 would be used. If a LOAL system is operationally useful for the S-200, then the question arises whether the two directional antenna feed horns of the receiver truck mentioned above would be sufficient to maintain data-link with the S-200 missile at longer ranges, because its much smaller than the data link dish of the 5N62.


S-200 does NOT have any datalink. What is questionable is RPC frequency sampling ability of the missile, but it does not even come close to any datalink.
There are three antennas on 5N62 - transmit, receive and KRO (which you probably mean is used for datalink (similarly to S(A)-75 RPK antenna), but it in fact receives signal from missile in flight which indicates that missile's GSN has lost the target lock).

Lock on after launch is used in S-200 in cases where for example trees block line of sight from missile's GSN to target. Because RPC is usually located on an elevated platform in such cases, so it does see the target at the moment of lauch, while the missile does not.

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I thought the radio/data-link used for LOAL could have a tactical use in emission controlled IADS operation. But your SAM sim indicate that it has no tactical use.

I had a few minutes to further research on the S-200-Talash topic. While the CW radars 5N62 and HIPIR of the HAWK use two separate antenna for transmit and receive CW signals, the 1S91 of the SA-6 uses a single antenna. So my impression was false.

The system in the third photo is directly connected to the Sayyad-2 SAM but the larger antenna system in the second photo is unknown and could be a 1S91 like design for FMCW illumination of the S-200. But for that task the antenna seems to be too small, hence this system could be a early Sayyad-2 illumination radar replaced by the more advanced one in the third photo.

#4324961 - 12/31/16 08:58 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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Might be interesting to compare F-35 prices to the S-300P area denial export versions.

Of course, F-35 (in case not cancelled by the elected POTUS) can be afforded only by the the world's richest countries...
... on the other hand;

S-300PMU Volkhov-M6 (SA-10B); Bulgaria - 1pcs, Slovakia -1pcs, China - 4pcs; 75km ranged 5V55R missiles; 55m$ per systems

S-300PMU1 Volkhov-M6M (SA-20A); China - 4pcs, Greece - 2pcs, Vietnam - 2pcs; 150km ranged 48N6E missiles; 115m$ per systems

S-300PMU2 Favorit (SA-20B); China - 16pcs, Algeria - 4pcs, Iran 5(?)pcs; 200km ranged 48N6E2 missiles; 125m$ per systems

S-400 Triumph (SA-21) had a marketing kickoff just this year, with expected deliveries only after 2020.
Possible buyers; (China 6pcs, India 5pcs); 380km ranged 40N6E missiles; 500m$ per systems !!!

Happy New Year!
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