So torn. It sounds like the R5 1400X will give the same gaming performance as the 1800X for $300 less! However, I don't have a gaming system at all right now and don't want to wait until Summer to get one.

Bad news seems to be that the Ryzen 1800X and the high-end motherboards are all sold out for right now at Newegg and Amazon. And its not totally clear when they will actually become available.

My Ryzen 1800X is to be delivered today. Then, I need only the motherboard to finish the build. However, my ASUS motherboard has not shipped from Amazon. And, I got my Amazon pre-order in during the first few minutes on February 22 morning. Now, I see there are no alternatives -- but to wait.

EDIT: Bright idea. I checked for ASUS Crosshair VI "customer/buyer" reviews. None. Maybe no-one got theirs yet. One site indicated March 9 for shipments.

EDIT2: My Ryzen arrived

I know a few guys, that did reviews.

And even though the RyZen had a smidge lower AVG FPS in games, he noted that the game play was smooth, where the i5s would sometimes have a stutter.

After reading a bunch of reviews and benchmarks I opted to replace my 3570K (that was running @4.1Ghz - was a particularly power hungry, and thus hot, chip) with a 7700K - the advantage in clocks and IPC gives a nice advantage compared to Ryzen, given that seldom simulation/sandbox games are optimized to multicore. I truly hope that by the next CPU gen 8 cores (or even 4 lol) will help with performance.

A good choice today, for an avid gamer or one who plays current flight simulations heavily (which many at SimHQ do).

For an AMD gamer, the upcoming (by June) 6 and 4 core Ryzens offer "bang-for-buck" ($200 to $300 range).

FX Chips havent dropped any,

However I have 5 Appointments this week to replace mainboard/cpu/ram in systems that I've built locally w/ AM4 parts, and they have no interest in keeping the FX Chips (3x FX8350s, 1x 8370 1x 6300), nor the mainboards, as re-sell value is low, and re-sell attention is even lower,

So I'll Likely get to keep those, if they agree, I'll buy the FX Chips from them to take price off the Ryzen parts, they save money, and I get the FX Chips Cheaper than $150, as I need FX Chips to replace some Phenom IIs.

The importance of this if often neglected in reviews.



The Jedi Master

Fluid and Stable FPS > High FPS w/ large Variances.

My Asus Crosshair VI Hero motherboard is still missing in action (undelivered). I expect ASUS to be one of the "makers" who will keep updating the BIOS until all is well -- one reason I picked them.

A couple Asus Crosshair VI Hero motherboard reviews by "customers" (the only two I've seen so far -- one Amazon, one Newegg) indicate the BIOS needs work.

Just more corroboration. I expect the Asus Crosshair VI Hero motherboard BIOS to be fixed within many-days or a few weeks (not many-months or years).

More information from AMD corroborates that Ryzen architecture is highly competitive. However, applications and even Windows need adjustments to see it all the time.

Most of the issues have been at 1080p. It was noted that most gamers who buy Ryzen (at $300 to $500) will be playing at 1440p and above -- where Ryzen sometimes beats even I7 7700K by a little.


An image that shows Ryzen is a little bit better than Intel's 8 core CPU (in the opinion of the reviewer) -- for everything EXCEPT gamiing (but its close in gaming). That "gap" is expected to disappear. One has to stare at this a minute and think about it -- not as clear as some.

Notice its almost twice as good as AMD FX9590 (my current CPU) for everything but gaming. As an AMD fan, I like that improvement over my current CPU. More than I expected to get.

the 7700K Turbo's to 4.5 GHz, so it's going to beat the 1800x in single threads, as it should.

gotta look at.. is that lil tick worth another $500?

Where are you guys getting your 7700k prices and another $500 over Ryzen?

Mine cost me $327, and NewEgg has it for $349 currently:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117726

Last week one online retailer had the I7 7700K for $299 -- and had marked down many other Intel CPUs -- as noted in this thread.

So, I think SkateZilla may have been referring to the diagram posted just above. The little tick of improvement in games applied to the $1022 I7 6900K compared to the $500 Ryzen. But, he'll have to verify my "take".

Ah thanks Allen, that makes more sense, maybe it's just me but comparing the Ryzen to the $1000 6900k instead of a $350 i7-7700k is a bit confusing and misleading especially since the 6900k is not even very good for gaming:
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-overclocking-best-ryzen-processor_192191/8

I'm a neutral who looks for gaming/simming bang for the buck, and try to compare apples to apples, and it seems like whenever there's a new AMD CPU or GPU coming out or released the marketing and hype is so darn cherry picked and confusing, much more so than it should be IMHO.

Maybe that's just me...

Not just you, Joao!

Same for me, don´t care if it is AMD or Intel. Or Cyrix back then in the nineties for those of us who remember.

My main PC is just a gaming/simming machine and always will be, so bang for the buck is the only concern for me when it comes to buying parts.

Good attitudes

One of the concerns I've had in posting in this thread is trying to avoid misleading people or "over selling". Rather, I and (Skatezilla) try to just relay information gleaned from the web (not all of which will turn out to be accurate).

My technique (I took some ribbing for my technique ) to downplay "hype", is to extensively use underline and "quote" speculative/rumor concepts to call attention to their "speculativeness".

All this AMD fan expected was an AMD CPU that "competed".

AMD decided to go 8core/16thread. And they "compete" in that category. "Compete" means they perform about the same as the similar Intel 8 core. Normally one would not know if software/games were running on Ryzen 1800X or I7 6900K --- unless they looked in the box. If one is not satisfied with I7 6900K gaming, they will probably not be satisfied with Ryzen 1800X. However, if one needs 8 cores for some important (to them) application, Ryzen easily wins "bang for buck". Which is what AMD fans hoped for.

Long term, all I expect is competitiveness -- not clear wins or losses. I think going 8 core now was the best plan for AMD because they cannot monitarily-afford to have a broad range of products. Long term, core count will be the determining factor. Eventually (10 years ???), even that won't matter.

For now and in the future, everyone should buy what makes sense for them (as most do). However, now that there is "competition", prices should decrease and performance increase faster. A better situation regardless of what someone buys.

Competition is good

P.S. I also use "quotes" around phrases that have been used and reused in English prose over the decades and may have developed a slightly different meaning than a literal interpretation of the words used. Why? Because SimHQ is read all over the world and some readers may not have Americanized English (expressed by an Ohioan) as a "first language". So, "quotes" may assist understanding (or not -- "as the case may be").

7700k Boosts to 4.5 GHz, that was in response to benchmarks having the 7700K better than everything in Single Thread Benches.


The Tick being worth $500 is in regard to the Hexagon Diagram, that shows the 1800x Competing evenly or beating the 6900K in all accept Gaming.

Is 15 to 20 FPS Peak and Avg of 8 really worth $500?

Given that the 6900K is not the gaming chip of choice for the majority then definitely not.

Looking for an alternative to the Crosshair VI just in case. Unfortunately, none of them have as many rear USB ports. I need 9 to plug in my gaming devices at a minimum and most boards barely have 7!