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#4333367 - 01/31/17 02:41 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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Call me (or bash me) whatever you like but I never liked the way of how the Russians represent terrain colors, namely on Western Europe maps in their sims.
The colors are always odd but there's also something else that looks odd that I can't explain.

However what I can explain is that for example the green color used for grass doesn't look right. That green seems to be more like a "Lettuce green" than a "Grass green". I don't know if the grass in Russia looks like that but in Western Europe it certainly doesn't look like that! For example the green and other colors (like the "yellowish") are darker than they aren't "glossy" as well.
This is something that affect ALL Russian flight simulations, from IL2 to IL2 1946, to CloD and now to DCS.

The only screenshot that looks accurate (and best IMO) is exactly the last one (because of the reasons that I mentioned before) although I suspect that this is due to low lighting conditions (probably sunrise?).


IMO the best terrain that I've seen for far (specially for a western Europe map) is the one from WOFF and this is a sim which despite being based on a rather old engine, the terrain looks accurate (and the terrain is awesome).

#4333695 - 02/01/17 01:57 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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It's true that things as simple as grass and trees are not universal in their coloration. Even the same plants in different locations can appear different due to soil and climate differences.

Personally, I've never let it bother me too much. If the coloration is more yellow than it should be or whatever, I just assume it's been some lousy weather lately and the plants aren't doing well. smile



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#4333702 - 02/01/17 02:19 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4333711 - 02/01/17 02:40 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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the only way to accurately gauge it is by flying over it, sometimes screenshots fail to convey the in-flight experience.

#4333808 - 02/01/17 07:27 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master


Personally, I've never let it bother me too much. If the coloration is more yellow than it should be or whatever, I just assume it's been some lousy weather lately and the plants aren't doing well. smile


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Usually it also doesn't bother me too much (I don't consider myself to be "too picky" with coloring) unless the terrain starts to feel completely "alien" and the terrains from the Russian sims that I mentioned above do fell "alien"!

Resuming I played lots of sims from 1990's until nowadays and the only ones where I have this complain is again the Russian sims that I mentioned above!

Regarding the part of "assume it's been some lousy weather lately and the plants aren't doing well", when 99% or more of the flying time during daylight looks this there's simply no way to pretend otherwise, at least to me.


Finally, I've even been to a tropical country with lots of vegetation and nothing that I've seen resembles what we have in the Russian sims that I mentioned above in terms of coloring. But again, perhaps Russia looks like this but certainly most of the rest of world doesn't - And again, western Europe for sure doesn't have that coloring!

#4333810 - 02/01/17 07:33 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Originally Posted By: Tom_Weiss
the only way to accurately gauge it is by flying over it, sometimes screenshots fail to convey the in-flight experience.


Sure but having a considerable experience flying over the IL2 and IL2 1946 maps as well as watching screenshots from these sims including CloD I would say that I have at least an 80% confidence that the Normandy DCS map will look very similar to those other Russian sims, which means it will have a completely inaccurate/unrealistic coloring when representing for example a Western Europe map this unless something changes in the meanwhile during development of this Normandy map.

#4333817 - 02/01/17 08:09 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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unless something changes in the meanwhile during development of this Normandy map.


they have the input of Flying Legends - which may help them to find the correct balance, we also don't know what engine they are using now, could be that the screenshots were taken in 2.0 and the map was made for 2.5.

( I have the Normandy Map on order as part of the kickstarter )

#4333829 - 02/01/17 09:23 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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Lighting also affects color appearance, and we know the lighting has been in flux, so screenshots may not be representative of what we get.



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#4333974 - 02/02/17 10:34 AM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
Lighting also affects color appearance, and we know the lighting has been in flux, so screenshots may not be representative of what we get.



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Sure and I actually mentioned that in my first post in this this thread.

However even with "brighter" lighting conditions during daylight in "normal" or clear weather we should never see the grass colored in that "typical Russian Lettuce Green"!
I simply can't imagine any lighting conditions where the grass colour in Normandy (or the rest of western Europe for that matter) to look like a "Lettuce Green".

And also like I previously said, the only screenshot from this Normandy DCS map where the colors seem right is the last one (posted by Sokol1). In this last screenshot the colours start to look about right and even with brighter lighting conditions the "predominant" green colour/tone of that last screenshot shouldn't change (or change much).

#4334039 - 02/02/17 03:47 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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This Normandy map is used in Spit IXe trailer:




#4334291 - 02/03/17 12:43 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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Good stuff!

#4334321 - 02/03/17 01:59 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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Well, what if there was a massive volcano eruption in Iceland, and the soot drifts over W Europe at the same time a chemical factory explosion occurs in Eastern Europe that creates a toxic cloud that floats east, and the two combine over the west to make this acid cinder concoction that alters the sun's light...




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#4334381 - 02/03/17 03:27 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
Well, what if there was a massive volcano eruption in Iceland, and the soot drifts over W Europe at the same time a chemical factory explosion occurs in Eastern Europe that creates a toxic cloud that floats east, and the two combine over the west to make this acid cinder concoction that alters the sun's light...




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We still would NOT have "lettuce green" grass.

#4334477 - 02/03/17 08:48 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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AFTER the acid rains fell, though!



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#4334647 - 02/04/17 03:24 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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Not even then, I'm afraid wink

#4336740 - 02/13/17 01:18 AM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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#4336827 - 02/13/17 10:31 AM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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Thanks for sharing....looks absolutely fantastic in my opinion. Can't wait till it's released.


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#4338090 - 02/16/17 10:38 PM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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cant wait.

the grey water tower on stilts stands out to me in the 1st image. Never seen on of those in my 40 years. Looks North American to me

https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=156976&d=1486746564

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#4338155 - 02/17/17 02:54 AM Re: Normandy 1944 landscape [Re: Sokol1]  
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Yep, I've never seen any of those water towers in France. A lot of the water towers in France were chunkier, with a round base, often using bricks, and often made to look a bit like medieval castle towers, particularly where I grew up (Alsace) and in the north east of France in general - not sure about Normandy though.

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