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#4332972 - 01/30/17 02:40 PM Buy american (US)! From German/european perspective  
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There is such a big trade deficite between US/Germany i wonder how an ordinary german can help here, no sarcasm.

First i looked around to find some stuff "made in the USA" wich isn't easy to find.
There is the Apple stuff i own but all made in China so i'm not sure if it counts.
I own a 2012 Mac Mini an iPad3 and 2 Apple TVs.
Then there is our Jeep Patriot from 2008 that will be replaced by a Wrangler in the near future.
There are a couple of Converse Sneakers in our household but i guess also made in China?
My Gibson SG is from the US.
A couple of books most WW2 stuff are from the US and some DVDs and CDs that's all.
So what else is made in the US and worth to buy?

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PS: no political debate here. I would like to have this topic in this forum not PEWC!

PPS: even harder to found made in britain stuff in my household. Beside my Marshall guitar amp i couldn't found anything.


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#4332976 - 01/30/17 02:43 PM Re: Buy american (US)! From German/european perspective [Re: Rends]  
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Are you talking about retail products only? In that case then yes, very little is made in the US.


Caterpillar makes all of their construction equipment in the US but I have no idea how prevalent those are in Germany. I would assume that Germany has local businesses that already manufacture those. And of course Hollywood exports a lot to Germany and many other countries but obviously that's not a physical product but more intellectual property.


And besides, Germany is much, much more of an exporting nation than an importing one.

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#4332982 - 01/30/17 02:49 PM Re: Buy american (US)! From German/european perspective [Re: Rends]  
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Yep retail stuff. I' not sure what todo with a Caterpillar and not enough space in my backyard to park a Boeing ;-)

I remember some companies from the 80s like Motorola Texas instruments Kenner Toys. etc.. I'm not sure if they are still exsist but there was a time when Made in USA was way more popular than today.

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#4332989 - 01/30/17 03:02 PM Re: Buy american (US)! From German/european perspective [Re: Rends]  
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Originally Posted By: Rends


I remember some companies from the 80s like Motorola Texas instruments Kenner Toys. etc.. I'm not sure if they are still exsist but there was a time when Made in USA was way more popular than today.


Motorola has gone through massive changes in the past 20 years. There's a major facility of theirs in South Florida but it's mostly engineering and administrative stuff that goes on there. No manufacturing.

As for Kenner Toys or any other toys, I'm pretty sure almost all of those have been made in China and other countries since the 1980's.


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Aren't CH joysticks made in the USA?


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#4333008 - 01/30/17 03:21 PM Re: Buy american (US)! From German/european perspective [Re: Rends]  
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Lots of food and drink products are still made in the US but I've no idea how much of that goes to Germany.


@Rends - How often do you see US food and drink products stocked in German supermarkets?


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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
Lots of food and drink products are still made in the US but I've no idea how much of that goes to Germany.

@Rends - How often do you see US food and drink products stocked in German supermarkets?


Yep, Coca Cola is not such a thing though, lots of production facilities in Germany already. Wins go to the Coca Cola company, of course. Kraft is now an american company, and has swalloed thousands of well-known products, and a lot are produced and sold in Europe.
Braun, a former excellent company well-known for design and ingenuity, has unfortuinately changed to producing crap since it is being US-owned. Some production still in Germany, but major part in China now i think.

Well, Jaguar belongs to an indian company now..

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TI and other semiconductor companies do still make chips here. However, it's not easy to find their stuff inside other products. If you're referring to TI calculators, well, who buys those anymore? smile

Definitely a tough time finding made in the US stuff. I suppose there's furniture that gets exported, but does anyone know any US brands of furniture? I'm not into that.

I suppose cars are the most likely thing to see, but I've no idea how many US cars, built in the US and not Mexico or Canada or elsewhere, are exported to Europe.



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#4333022 - 01/30/17 03:43 PM Re: Buy american (US)! From German/european perspective [Re: Catfish]  
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Originally Posted By: Catfish

Yep, Coca Cola is not such a thing though, lots of production facilities in Germany already. Wins go to the Coca Cola company, of course.
There's a fascinating story behind the creation of a Coca Cola product called "Fanta". It was created by German employees of Coca Cola during the Third Reich era.


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A lot of outdoors gear by Cascade Designs is made in the USA - MSR snowshoes and Therm-a-rest camping mattresses are made in the USA of US & global parts, Platypus hydration bladders are made in the US (the hydration packs they go in are imported.) Most hand tools by Crsftsman, Snap-on, Mac, etc, are made in the US, but power and air tools are generally imported. I know Winchester firearms are now made overseas, but I'm pretty certain that Remington, Colt, Ruger, Savage, etc, are all still made in America. New Balance footwear is, along with some Danner boots. And of course, the world famous "Bean Boots" are made in America. Well, some of them, anyway.

I think First World manufacturing is pretty much limited to specialty or niche goods, and a small number of companies that are upholding a tradition. I honestly doubt that Snap-on or Craftsman hand tools would be lower quality if made overseas of the same steel and using the same forges and presses, but it's the difference in quality, perceived or real, when compared to their made-overseas competition that's a big selling point.


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#4333024 - 01/30/17 03:45 PM Re: Buy american (US)! From German/european perspective [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master

I suppose cars are the most likely thing to see, but I've no idea how many US cars, built in the US and not Mexico or Canada or elsewhere, are exported to Europe.



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I would imagine not too many since GM and Ford both have auto plants in Europe.


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Originally Posted By: Rends
Yep retail stuff. I' not sure what todo with a Caterpillar and not enough space in my backyard to park a Boeing ;-)

I remember some companies from the 80s like Motorola Texas instruments Kenner Toys. etc.. I'm not sure if they are still exsist but there was a time when Made in USA was way more popular than today.


Texas Instruments is very much still in existence, there's a TI plant in South Portland, ME, right across from the airport where I work. They bought National Semiconductor not too long ago.


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What about entertainment? American made movies and music have a sizable international market.


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Indeed not a big market for US (manufactured) cars - mostly just Fords, which happen to be produced in Germany, Belgium or Spain...
I guess many US cars/brands (Lincoln, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Cadillac, ...) are niche market or simply not suitable to German/European markets, e.g. due to taxation on CO2 emission, or (right or wrong) perceived lower manufacturing quality, safety, ...
And for Tesla it is still a bit early to leave a real impression on the market/streets.

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Originally Posted By: letterboy1
What about entertainment? American made movies and music have a sizable international market.
Someone hasn't read the entire thread before posting. wink


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Food. There is Kellogs Kraft and i guess a few others. I don't think that stuff is US made.
Coca Cola and Pepsi is made local not imported.
You find Mc Donald's Burger King and Starbucks at every corner in town but i guess that is Franchise only. Not sure if they use food from the States.
About Cars. Chrysler started to bring Dodge and Ram to Germany about 2007 if i remember right. But it's mostly Jeep that leave the lot's here in low numbers.
GM doesn't sell cars here if they are not From Opel.
Ford don't sell the F150 or any other US known car except the Ecosport if they are US made?
I guess BMW sells more US made X5 in germany than all US carmakers combined.


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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
Are you talking about retail products only? In that case then yes, very little is made in the US.


Caterpillar makes all of their construction equipment in the US but I have no idea how prevalent those are in Germany. I would assume that Germany has local businesses that already manufacture those. And of course Hollywood exports a lot to Germany and many other countries but obviously that's not a physical product but more intellectual property.


And besides, Germany is much, much more of an exporting nation than an importing one.


I have been at the Caterpillar factory in the UK and there they made the earth moving machinery in house.

It was a huge site, but their security was lax and people were helping themselves to the large rear wheels from excavators worth in the region of 12k and upwards, we caught them on camera using a large digger to move the wheels then dump them over the boundary fence, then a flat bed truck came and used it's crane to lift the wheels on to it and drive away.

Enterprising scrotes sigh nope


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Originally Posted By: Rends

Coca Cola and Pepsi is made local not imported.


This is why I laugh whenever someone in the US buys a 6 pack of Becks or Lowenbrau and say that they are drinking "German" beer. Both of those beers are brewed under license in the US and they use American water, barley, hops, etc. I'm sure those beer brands taste VERY different in Germany.

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