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#4331156 - 01/24/17 11:06 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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How about Titus Pullo from "Rome?"


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#4331157 - 01/24/17 11:07 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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#4331162 - 01/24/17 11:19 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: NH2112]  
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Originally Posted By: NH2112
How about Titus Pullo from "Rome?"
That's an outstanding pick!!


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#4331168 - 01/24/17 11:56 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Deep Space Nine's Garak seems to fit here too wink

#4331180 - 01/25/17 01:55 AM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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#4331206 - 01/25/17 03:58 AM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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#4331219 - 01/25/17 04:44 AM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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The Smoking Man from the X-Files might fit in here. The actor who played him, William B. Davis, once said that he tried to put himself in the character's shoes. He tried to see the world from the Smoking Man's point of view. "After all", he said. "Villains don't see themselves as villains."
That certainly makes him ambiguous. He was evil, but thought that right was on his side.

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#4331245 - 01/25/17 10:25 AM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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#4331298 - 01/25/17 02:25 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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#4331301 - 01/25/17 02:34 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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LOL David. How come we haven't had a remake of that show yet? biggrin


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#4331302 - 01/25/17 02:35 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: Para_Bellum]  
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Originally Posted By: Para_Bellum
Bronn in Game of Thrones.

Excellent pick and I really hope he survives the show. There's just something about him that I admire a lot.


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#4331312 - 01/25/17 02:48 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: DaBBQ]  
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Originally Posted By: DaBBQ
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Especially the first season.

General Zod in Man of Steel was a great character. Much better and more complex than in the old movie. In his mind, he was doing his job preserving Krypton and saving a culture, DESPITE them not listening to him about killing their planet and also despite being sentenced to the phantom zone. He stayed true to his job even after all of that. He didn't understand why Clark would fight that. Although in the intro he threatened to find Kal El for revenge, I think that was just the heat of the moment. He never lied to Clark or tried anything until he got in his way. He didn't go purely violent until he lost the means of doing his job and couldn't handle not being able to do what he was genetically designed and bred for. I thought Michael Shannon did an excellent job of bringing a complex character to life.


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#4331315 - 01/25/17 02:52 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
I thought Michael Shannon did an excellent job of bringing a complex character to life.


The character as written was better in "Man of Steel" but IMHO Shannon didn't quite have that same on-screen gravitas as Terrence Stamp.


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#4331317 - 01/25/17 02:52 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
LOL David. How come we haven't had a remake of that show yet? biggrin



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#4331326 - 01/25/17 03:12 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Farscape was indeed full of those types of characters. Not just Crais, but many of the others too. There was even the period when Scorpius was on the ship and that was truly unusual for that genre.

Can't believe I forgot Elim Garak, humble tailor (formerly of the Obsidian Order). Andrew Robinson's best work and one of the best characters in ST.
Quark could be there at times, but he was overall a good person at the core that just had a lot of greed. He would cheat anyone, yes, but he would never hurt someone to make a profit. Garak would and did do things that were outright immoral for a purpose, although not for fun.

Lucifer is interesting because of the take on the character. The idea that he was manipulated into being who he is by his father is certainly fresh. I might classify him as more amoral though.



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#4331327 - 01/25/17 03:16 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: Falstar]  
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Originally Posted By: Falstar


We can blame PanzerMeyer now.

http://www.themarysue.com/alf-reboot/


Maybe Peter Dinklage can be cast as Alf?


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#4331348 - 01/25/17 04:00 PM Re: "Morally ambiguous" tv characters [Re: Para_Bellum]  
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Originally Posted By: Para_Bellum
Bronn in Game of Thrones.



I see him more as being amoral, in that right or wrong depends entirely on the person paying him. I don't think I've ever seen him do anything good for anyone simply because it was the right thing to do.


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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted By: Para_Bellum
Bronn in Game of Thrones.

Excellent pick and I really hope he survives the show. There's just something about him that I admire a lot.


I think he's one of the few truly likable characters on the show. He never whines or complains, he's loyal as long as the money keeps coming and tells his employer so in no uncertain terms, and you just gotta like someone who can do everything he says he can do.


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Jack Bauer in Day 8 of 24 when he went rogue.

Walter White in Breaking Bad... Jesse too...heck, EVERYONE IN THE SHOW! (Except for Hank. He was straight as a bullet).

And I don't know if there are many watchers of the show here, but Don Draper in Mad Men. If there was any character study that came close to my father's younger years, this was it.

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Originally Posted By: Bib4Tuna

Walter White in Breaking Bad... Jesse too...heck, EVERYONE IN THE SHOW! (Except for Hank. He was straight as a bullet).


Phew, came here to say just THAT ^

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